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Post by d3structo on Aug 13, 2018 9:40:31 GMT -7
I know that it's non-buffered and will require a buffer after the send, but I'm wondering if it is line level or instrument level. I'm assuming it must be line level based on my understanding of how a non-buffered loop works, but I'm not sure. Anybody have any info on this?
Thanks!
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Post by doctorice on Aug 13, 2018 12:37:46 GMT -7
You are correct. It's running at a line level: the effects loop send is coming after the preamp gain. (Don't ask me a what point, as I don't know )
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Post by atlnashgtr on Aug 23, 2018 19:38:37 GMT -7
I am finding a slight volume dip in the loop (even when going directly from send to return) In addition to volume loss, when I add a buffer it adds the high end back but also gooses the signal. A buffer in the loop thickens the mid/lows and makes the signal feel less real, less organic, and less warm doesn't matter how much (or little resistance) I add or if I add or subtract "drag" to the buffer... Read more: ztalk.proboards.com/thread/79682/fx-loop-issues?page=1#ixzz5P3kDapXV
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Post by tommc on Sept 20, 2018 10:35:38 GMT -7
When I put my Strymon Flint in the effects loop there is significant volume drop vs. putting in front. Tone seems quite different as well, thus, I never use the loop.
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Post by jkramsey1991 on Sept 21, 2018 11:04:15 GMT -7
When I put my Strymon Flint in the effects loop there is significant volume drop vs. putting in front. Tone seems quite different as well, thus, I never use the loop. Have you tried using a buffer?
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Post by simpleton on Oct 25, 2018 15:38:21 GMT -7
When running my Deluxe Memory Man with Hazari in the loop I find a slight boost of volume as well as high end added. Also the loop seems to need more overall delay volume to compensate for it being “set back” a bit in the overall mix....like built in reverb.
I haven’t tried much else with the loop ....
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Post by chrisd on Oct 26, 2018 7:38:02 GMT -7
When running my Deluxe Memory Man with Hazari in the loop I find a slight boost of volume as well as high end added. Also the loop seems to need more overall delay volume to compensate for it being “set back” a bit in the overall mix....like built in reverb. I haven’t tried much else with the loop .... Hello to all on the Z Forum; nice to be here! I have just found that my Specular Tempus delay has a lot more delay level available if it's going into the front of my Cure. Also, since I'm running the amp fairly clean, it sounds as good or better there, so I'm going to try keeping it front.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Oct 26, 2018 9:03:33 GMT -7
Welcome to the family, it's the best kept secret on the web. Lots of great knowledge and people here. I've noticed that too. I think what happens is that when any time based delay or reverb effect is plugged into the front of the amp, it reacts to the gain of the amp. As the signal fades, the high gain keeps it audible longer. You'll notice that the more you crank the volume, the more the reverb or delay seems to sustain. Just like the guitar sustains longer, so do time based effects. The effects loop doesn't put any gain to the effect, so time based effects fade more naturally. When it's in front of an amp that's gained up, the notes don't tail off as easily. That's why you rarely put a fuzz or other high gain pedal after a reverb or echo. Since you run your amp pretty clean, it doesn't have that big of an effect, and you get the benefit of a little more level out of your delay. Cool!
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Post by simpleton on Oct 26, 2018 15:50:45 GMT -7
For me the difference is in feel...in front, because of the pre amp gain, you will notice more effect....in the loop it will feel a bit more distant and a tad less in your face. Increase the amount of repeats as well as delay volume when in the loop to make up for different placement.
Like built in reverb, a delay or other effect in a loop make them feel more like part of the amp.
I’m so used to the response in front of the amp that I am sorta partial to it that way. Welcome to the best forum I’ve ever been a part of....a really good place to be.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Oct 27, 2018 9:49:17 GMT -7
Welcome to the family, it's the best kept secret on the web. Lots of great knowledge and people here. I've noticed that too. I think what happens is that when any time based delay or reverb effect is plugged into the front of the amp, it reacts to the gain of the amp. As the signal fades, the high gain keeps it audible longer. You'll notice that the more you crank the volume, the more the reverb or delay seems to sustain. Just like the guitar sustains longer, so do time based effects. The effects loop doesn't put any gain to the effect, so time based effects fade more naturally. When it's in front of an amp that's gained up, the notes don't tail off as easily. That's why you rarely put a fuzz or other high gain pedal after a reverb or echo. Since you run your amp pretty clean, it doesn't have that big of an effect, and you get the benefit of a little more level out of your delay. Cool! Best explanation I’ve come across. Well said!
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Post by Malcolm Tente on Nov 10, 2018 12:21:57 GMT -7
Hi y'all,
Any buffer (or buffers) work better than others? I'm having the same "issues". My time-based and mod effects sound like arse in the loop. Volume loss, presence loss, yuck!
I've tried some buffered pedals (Boss/Waza CE-2w for one) and they sound lifeless in the loop. I have other amps with loops and don't have these issues. I have just given up on the Cure's loop.
That said, everything sounds deadly awesome going into the front of the amp.
It's kinda sad because the loop was an important factor in my decision to buy this combo.
Thanks to all. It helps to commiserate and your insights, opinions, experiences, and advice are sincerely appreciated.
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Post by zpilot on Nov 17, 2018 3:42:07 GMT -7
I use an AnalogMan buffer. It will run at 18 volts which gives it more headroom. Also it handles line levels better than some other buffers.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Nov 17, 2018 9:44:53 GMT -7
Will a strong, dedicated buffer pedal solve the issue with the Cure’s loop? And if so, where would you insert it, first or last? Thanks!
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Post by Malcolm Tente on Nov 19, 2018 1:18:15 GMT -7
I use an AnalogMan buffer. It will run at 18 volts which gives it more headroom. Also it handles line levels better than some other buffers. Thanks! is that the Beano or Bad Bob?
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Post by zpilot on Nov 19, 2018 5:32:43 GMT -7
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Post by Malcolm Tente on Nov 21, 2018 11:01:02 GMT -7
Correct! Both are definitely boost pedals (and I think true bypass, to—LOL)! Sorry about my brain fart.
Thank you, again. This is super helpful advice.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Dec 10, 2018 10:04:59 GMT -7
I’ve been playing around with a Dumbleator clone in the loop and find that to be a major improvement over buffered pedals. Also gives more control over the signal levels. It’s tube drivenwith plenty of gain and obviates the need for shorter cables. Makes pedals feel like part of the amp.
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