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Post by bigben55 on Apr 27, 2018 8:24:31 GMT -7
Has anyone ran this combo? If so, how did you like or not like it?
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Post by southmusic70 on Apr 27, 2018 17:16:08 GMT -7
I sold my Z28 back in August, but this combination was all I took to variety jobs for several years.
I kept the rig (1x10 combo with C gold, guitar either a Gibson CS336 or a Guild Bluesbird) pretty clean (noon or below) and let the FT3 do the work.
Even the horn players in the band liked it.
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Post by bigben55 on Apr 27, 2018 19:21:15 GMT -7
I read very little GOOD about the FD3. The resounding review is, great boost side, dark uninspiring overdrive side. I have a FD2 from 1998 that I've had 20 years. I don't love it with the Z28 in regular mode, but it's darn good in comp cut.
How did you set yours? Did you find it dark? The Z28 isn't what is call a bright amp.
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Post by Christopher on Apr 28, 2018 4:36:47 GMT -7
I picked up another FD3, the second version after owning the first FD3CS which I felt was too dark and muddy to be useful. The black cased second one is more akin to the FD2 I used to own w a few more perks like smaller footprint and the dynamic knob on the boost. I've used mine w my Z-28 and it sounds great. Plenty of gain available and enough tonal variation w the switches to make it a great grab and go for jams and practices.
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Post by southmusic70 on Apr 28, 2018 6:16:17 GMT -7
My FD3 settings:
9/11:30/down/mid/1/down/11
FYI, I don’t know what Christopher’s FD3 settings are, but I’m pretty sure the Z28 he is using is the one I sold him last year.
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Post by Christopher on Apr 28, 2018 11:15:43 GMT -7
My FD3 settings: 9/11:30/down/mid/1/down/11 FYI, I don’t know what Christopher’s FD3 settings are, but I’m pretty sure the Z28 he is using is the one I sold him last year. It is one and the same. I have enjoyed having another one in my tool chest and played the dickens out of it at home and on gigs. The FD3 sounds pretty good through it. I futz with the settings too much to look and document. It really depends on the venue and the band's volume.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Apr 28, 2018 11:38:42 GMT -7
I've used a FD2 (with the push-pull comp cut) with my Z28 head through a Z 2x10 cab with good results. I'm running the Z28 pretty dirty now in a 2 amp setup with my Therapy (not running them together, but Therapy clean and Z28 dirty), so I don't use FD2 much with it now (if I really want to distort I'll hit the Plimsoul or OCD with the Z28). I'll use the FD2 with the Therapy now, with pretty low overdrive and the tone up around 2-4 o'clock, and with the boost to put some "hair" on the Therapy if needed.
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Post by TelePrankster on Apr 29, 2018 1:14:14 GMT -7
Did you find it dark? The Z28 isn't what is call a bright amp. It depends mostly on the speaker/guitar combination, in my experience. With a Telecaster and a Celestion Gold it can be really trebly, even fizzy. Try to set Bass around 9 o'clock and treble at 2 o'clock, it should be at least near flat in your situation. I use my Z-28 mostly with a 12'' cabinet w/WGS G12C/S, which is a dark/bassy/bloomy sounding speaker similar to the Cannabis Rex. The combination of bright guitar and dark speaker works very well. With my 10'' cabinet w/Celestion Gold I set the amp completely different. Volume up for tube crunch, bass on 9 o'clock and treble on 10/11 o'clock. It results in a more british kind of crunchy tone with mids pushed a little bit. I'm sure you can find the perfect solution for your problem. The Z-28 is very versatile and takes pedals like a champ.
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Post by bigben55 on Apr 29, 2018 8:17:52 GMT -7
I use a WGS Reaper HP in mine, but have experience with the G12C/S in another amp. I wanted to keep the British flavor but without so much upper mids. I don't like honky. The HP has lots of highs, lows and volume. And I set it very similar to you with strats and teles, 10-10-11 with the Brake Lite on 2 clicks, and use pedals. With my humbucker tele,I'm straight in at 2-11-2, and ride the gtr volume. With THIS Z28, I don't love 3-3-3, though I did with the 2x10 combo I once had. It had Z blue label 10s, so I think it's the speaker. Think I'll skip the FD3 and get a Klone as my off board, stand alone boost/OR. I'm wanting ONE IS that works with a battery for a simple amp>OD>Wah>for rig. Did you find it dark? The Z28 isn't what is call a bright amp. It depends mostly on the speaker/guitar combination, in my experience. With a Telecaster and a Celestion Gold it can be really trebly, even fizzy. Try to set Bass around 9 o'clock and treble at 2 o'clock, it should be at least near flat in your situation. I use my Z-28 mostly with a 12'' cabinet w/WGS G12C/S, which is a dark/bassy/bloomy sounding speaker similar to the Cannabis Rex. The combination of bright guitar and dark speaker works very well. With my 10'' cabinet w/Celestion Gold I set the amp completely different. Volume up for tube crunch, bass on 9 o'clock and treble on 10/11 o'clock. It results in a more british kind of crunchy tone with mids pushed a little bit. I'm sure you can find the perfect solution for your problem. The Z-28 is very versatile and takes pedals like a champ.
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Post by bigben55 on Apr 30, 2018 4:52:20 GMT -7
How old is your FD3? I read when Fulltone switched the black pedal from true bypass to enhanced buffered, it lost some of its "darkness," somewhere after s/n#2500. I played the Z28 some again with my old FD2 in comp cut mode and damn if it doesn't have me thinking about buying this pedal again. I know I wouldn't like the combo in 90s/vintage mode, don't know anythi g about wide asym mode, but comp cut sounds killer. I got a line on a used one for $70, might just try it anyway, I can always flip it for that price. My FD3 settings: 9/11:30/down/mid/1/down/11 FYI, I don’t know what Christopher’s FD3 settings are, but I’m pretty sure the Z28 he is using is the one I sold him last year. It is one and the same. I have enjoyed having another one in my tool chest and played the dickens out of it at home and on gigs. The FD3 sounds pretty good through it. I futz with the settings too much to look and document. It really depends on the venue and the band's volume.
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Post by Christopher on Apr 30, 2018 6:35:26 GMT -7
I'll check when I get home tonight. It was much brighter than the first FD3CS orange one. I like the wide asymetric setting. The comp cut is ok but I prefer a true boost for that.
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Post by bigben55 on May 16, 2018 5:26:59 GMT -7
Well, I bought a FD3. It isn't my old FD2, and honestly, I don't love it in front of the Z28. It's ok, but my BB Preamp+Timmy is just way better. Now, I never planned on the FD3 kicking those off the board; I wanted it for a no board stand alone OD. I'm selling it.
So...back to the drawing board. Still wanting a stand alone OD for the Z28. Had been thinking something in the Klon camp but worry about it having too much mids. Any further suggestions? I've never tried a "Dumble " type, like a Zen Drive, etc. Anyone???
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Post by TelePrankster on May 16, 2018 6:33:10 GMT -7
I use a Bondi Sick As into my Z-28. It's based on the Klon circuit but with active two band EQ, clipping switch, more gain on tap and a little less mids. It sounds huge, definitely better compared to other ODs I tried.
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Post by trojanhov on May 16, 2018 13:39:33 GMT -7
Well, I bought a FD3. It isn't my old FD2, and honestly, I don't love it in front of the Z28. It's ok, but my BB Preamp+Timmy is just way better. Now, I never planned on the FD3 kicking those off the board; I wanted it for a no board stand alone OD. I'm selling it. So...back to the drawing board. Still wanting a stand alone OD for the Z28. Had been thinking something in the Klon camp but worry about it having too much mids. Any further suggestions? I've never tried a "Dumble " type, like a Zen Drive, etc. Anyone??? My tumnus deluxe is awesome and u can control the mids. Sounds great with my z-28!
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Post by Christopher on May 16, 2018 13:40:38 GMT -7
Honestly, I feel that both of my Z's sound best with the amp on the edge of breakup pushed by a combo of pickups, right hand and a boost. While I can dial in a great saturated drive tone w the stomps (FD3,OCD,etc) the best one to my ears is the amp with some fire in it's belly via a front end kick. That OD is the sweetest tone to me.
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Post by bigben55 on May 17, 2018 10:08:04 GMT -7
Honestly, I feel that both of my Z's sound best with the amp on the edge of breakup pushed by a combo of pickups, right hand and a boost. While I can dial in a great saturated drive tone w the stomps (FD3,OCD,etc) the best one to my ears is the amp with some fire in it's belly via a front end kick. That OD is the sweetest tone to me. While I agree, that just isn't always practical. I run my Z28 at 10-10-11 with the Brakelite on 2 with a pedalboard and a tele/strat. I run it a 2-10-2 with humbuckers and a cord. I want to also be able to run amp>OD>wah>guitar, so a good lower gain OD would work but I'd rather have one that sounded equally great set to lower or medium gain.
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Post by trojanhov on May 17, 2018 10:12:36 GMT -7
Honestly, I feel that both of my Z's sound best with the amp on the edge of breakup pushed by a combo of pickups, right hand and a boost. While I can dial in a great saturated drive tone w the stomps (FD3,OCD,etc) the best one to my ears is the amp with some fire in it's belly via a front end kick. That OD is the sweetest tone to me. While I agree, that just isn't always practical. I run my Z28 at 10-10-11 with the Brakelite on 2 with a pedalboard and a tele/strat. I run it a 2-10-2 with humbuckers and a cord. I want to also be able to run amp>OD>wah>guitar, so a good lower gain OD would work but I'd rather have one that sounded equally great set to lower or medium gain. Man, maybe a Tim, but those are pricey. I feel like a Timmy + tumnus deluxe would fit the bill. Or a Klon style pedal with usable eq section
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Post by Christopher on May 17, 2018 13:42:16 GMT -7
Honestly, I feel that both of my Z's sound best with the amp on the edge of breakup pushed by a combo of pickups, right hand and a boost. While I can dial in a great saturated drive tone w the stomps (FD3,OCD,etc) the best one to my ears is the amp with some fire in it's belly via a front end kick. That OD is the sweetest tone to me. While I agree, that just isn't always practical. I run my Z28 at 10-10-11 with the Brakelite on 2 with a pedalboard and a tele/strat. I run it a 2-10-2 with humbuckers and a cord. I want to also be able to run amp>OD>wah>guitar, so a good lower gain OD would work but I'd rather have one that sounded equally great set to lower or medium gain. The BB pre checks that box. It's not super gainy but has a nice articulate edge and can be EQd to your liking.
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Post by bigben55 on May 18, 2018 18:22:59 GMT -7
I REALLY like the BB/Timmy combo on my board. Everyone says the BB is Tube Screamer-esque, maybe it is but I have a old FD2 and had both the TS9 and 808 and the BB is it's own thing. I could buy another to use as a stand alone, but would rather try something different. I could get another clean boost and use the Timmy as a stand alone too. Regardless, om still on the hunt. While I agree, that just isn't always practical. I run my Z28 at 10-10-11 with the Brakelite on 2 with a pedalboard and a tele/strat. I run it a 2-10-2 with humbuckers and a cord. I want to also be able to run amp>OD>wah>guitar, so a good lower gain OD would work but I'd rather have one that sounded equally great set to lower or medium gain. The BB pre checks that box. It's not super gainy but has a nice articulate edge and can be EQd to your liking.
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Post by bigben55 on May 19, 2018 14:46:46 GMT -7
FD3 sold. After much research, I ordered a Mad Professor Ruby Red Booster. We'll see how it works! I think the ability to dial in gain and/or treble(I feel the Z28 can use some more at times) and do it at any desired volume should be a winner. Will report back.
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Post by bigben55 on Jul 30, 2018 13:23:54 GMT -7
I came across a smoking deal locally on another old Fulldrive 2, a pre MOSFET 2005 for $60! I didn't "need" it, but I have what some see as "a problem...."
Anyway, since finishing and being 100% happy with my Z28 pedalboard, I've been looking for "the" stand alone OD pedal. Didn't like the FD3, nor my old 1998 FD2. But this new old one has the Flat Mids mode. BAM!! That's it! Never played a FM model, and it makes the pedal jive with the Z28. Happy day.
Selling the Ruby Red Booster(awesome....so long as the amp is really cooking, but harsh into a clean amp). Still wanna Fuzz....
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