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Post by redduke on Jul 8, 2017 6:38:32 GMT -7
Hello,
I'm looking to get another Dr Z amp. I like the idea of a 6L6 as I have an EL84 at the moment. I was also looking at ordering the Dr Z 112 with the Therapy and in the UK it comes with a Celestion Creamback as standard. Has anybody out there tried this combination or maybe recommend another speaker? I already have a 212 cab with a Celestion Blue and Gold in it do I am looking to increase my tone "spectrum" for want of a better word. I like the idea of the 112 as I presume that'll be the lightest option - as opposed to a 210.
Cheers, Simon
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Post by ss "Shane" on Jul 8, 2017 7:02:53 GMT -7
I sadly only have two Z's, the Ghia and the Therapy. Both of these are head/cab rigs and I use Creamback 1X12 convertible Z cabs for both amps.
When I bought my Therapy I only had a 2X12 Z cab with the G12 and Vin 30. To me it only sounded ok, not great. I came to the realization that I just don't need a 2X12 for what I was doing. It was then that I began my search for a 1X12. After lots of mind numbing internet research on speakers I decided to get the Creamback 1X12 Z cab. I immediately knew that I loved this speaker with my Therapy. Not harsh, incredibly smooth and low db so I had more control with not so loud bands. This description was before the speaker even had a chance to break it.
After noting my satisfaction with the Creamback and Therapy I plugged my Ghia head into it. Wow! I was just as pleased! So against my wife's wishes I purchased another 1X12 Creamback Z cab for the Ghia. My speaker hunt ended and I'm a happy camper.
You have a great 2X12 cab so hang on to it....but don't be suprised if you find yourself never using it after using the smaller cab. I've played with very loud bands and have never needed a bigger cab with my Therapy.
For the very first time in my life of playing guitar, and that's about 30 years, I can honestly say that I'm completely happy with my tone using the Therapy and Creamback. When I say "completely" that's exactly what I mean. Will I buy more Dr. Z's? Heck yes! But it's not because I'm tone searching, it's because I'm having fun with this wonderful brand of guitar amps!
Cheers back from Texas!
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Jul 8, 2017 7:25:54 GMT -7
I don't have a Therapy, but I was using the Creamback with my Antidote and Ghia. I was satisfied with the results, but felt the highs to be a bit brittle or at least uncomfortable to my ears. I picked up a barely used Z-12" speaker and am delighted with the results. I don't imagine it is broken in yet, but it sounds terrific. If it improves, then that's a bonus.
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Post by redduke on Jul 8, 2017 7:40:37 GMT -7
Hi Shane......it's great to hear you are completely happy with that 112 Creamback. I'm in a fortunate position where I can try before I buy so I'm going to do just that.If this 112 config takes over from the 212 then so be it! It will help save my back!
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Post by redduke on Jul 8, 2017 7:44:09 GMT -7
Hi j4gitr.....thanks for the your input on this. As I said to Shane I'm in the fortunate position to try out the speakers before I make the purchase. Interestingly enough this UK shop puts Z 10"'s into some of their cabinets. Are these "Z" speakers actually made/supplied by Dr Z amps then?
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Post by simpleton on Jul 8, 2017 8:07:18 GMT -7
Hi j4gitr.....thanks for the your input on this. As I said to Shane I'm in the fortunate position to try out the speakers before I make the purchase. Interestingly enough this UK shop puts Z 10"'s into some of their cabinets. Are these "Z" speakers actually made/supplied by Dr Z amps then? I'm pretty sure Z has Eminence Speakers make all of the "Z" speakers. He collaborated with them on their design.
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Jul 8, 2017 8:53:53 GMT -7
Hi j4gitr.....thanks for the your input on this. As I said to Shane I'm in the fortunate position to try out the speakers before I make the purchase. Interestingly enough this UK shop puts Z 10"'s into some of their cabinets. Are these "Z" speakers actually made/supplied by Dr Z amps then? I understand that Eminence makes them for and to Dr Z' specifications. You can order them in your Z cabinet. I have Z 10's in my Maz combo and in separate 2x10 cab. Very happy with the 10's as well. They are what led me to the Z-12. The fact that you can try before you buy is a great advantage. Enjoy the quest.
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Post by redduke on Jul 8, 2017 9:10:08 GMT -7
Hi j4gitr.....thanks for the your input on this. As I said to Shane I'm in the fortunate position to try out the speakers before I make the purchase. Interestingly enough this UK shop puts Z 10"'s into some of their cabinets. Are these "Z" speakers actually made/supplied by Dr Z amps then? I'm pretty sure Z has Eminence Speakers make all of the "Z" speakers. He collaborated with them on their design. Thanks for the info simpleton!
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Post by redduke on Jul 8, 2017 9:12:45 GMT -7
Hi j4gitr.....thanks for the your input on this. As I said to Shane I'm in the fortunate position to try out the speakers before I make the purchase. Interestingly enough this UK shop puts Z 10"'s into some of their cabinets. Are these "Z" speakers actually made/supplied by Dr Z amps then? I understand that Eminence makes them for and to Dr Z' specifications. You can order them in your Z cabinet. I have Z 10's in my Maz combo and in separate 2x10 cab. Very happy with the 10's as well. They are what led me to the Z-12. The fact that you can try before you buy is a great advantage. Enjoy the quest. I do like the Celestions but I'll certainly try the z' out. As I said I'm looking to broaden my sound so maybe a move away may be the direction to go. The quest continues !
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Post by simpleton on Jul 8, 2017 15:04:49 GMT -7
The Z sound caught me off guard. Coming from a Peavey Classic 30, Divided by 13 SJT 10/20, and Swart STR the Z seemed stiff in my Ghia 2x10....but sounded very 3D in a different way than other amps. The BASS wasn't as full...or flabby...but always sounded more than enough...the HIGHS were very present yet not ice picky....I had really discovered MIDS until Z amps shone the way.
Later I realized that Z amp clarity made me feel as if it was stiff...but really it just let me hear my playing more clearly...now my playing has improved because the Z helped me clean up some of my act. Z amps really feel chewy to me when in the groove....they really lend a shoulder to the load and push some air.
The Z had way better string definition than my other amps...it left more room for BASS guitar and gave me a more prominent place as a guitarist....a more fitting EQ range if you will.
I love how Z amps pronounce single notes...they really sing and sustain even when clean.
I love how Z amps keep string definition and don't lose low end and flub out.
I love Z amp overdriven tones...AWESOME!
Z amps helped me hear speaker differences more as well as guitars and pedals.
Z amps helped me meet all these nice folks here....and there are some real gems here.
Welcome in!
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jul 8, 2017 15:34:51 GMT -7
I don't have a Therapy, but I was using the Creamback with my Antidote and Ghia. I was satisfied with the results, but felt the highs to be a bit brittle or at least uncomfortable to my ears. I picked up a barely used Z-12" speaker and am delighted with the results. I don't imagine it is broken in yet, but it sounds terrific. If it improves, then that's a bonus. I also had a Creamback in a 1x12 Z cab that I use with my Therapy. After I got my Z-Lux with the Z-12 speaker in it, I plugged in my Therapy and loved it. For big stages I sometimes take my Z-Lux and my Therapy sits on top, with a Tonebone Amp Switcher to choose which amp drives the Z-12. I ended up buying another Z-12 from Doc and put it in my 1X12 cab, open back, and it's great.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 19:15:14 GMT -7
Go alnico...
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Post by zwak on Jul 10, 2017 11:47:00 GMT -7
I have the Therapy head with 6L6's and a Z cab, 112 Creamback and I love it! I play Jazz, Fusion Jazz and Blues through it, and with minor adjustments to the tone controls and Master I can get this amp to work great for all these Genre's.
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Post by ss "Shane" on Jul 10, 2017 15:05:45 GMT -7
I have the Therapy head with 6L6's and a Z cab, 112 Creamback and I love it! I play Jazz, Fusion Jazz and Blues through it, and with minor adjustments to the tone controls and Master I can get this amp to work great for all these Genre's. Jazz and Fusion Jazz? Wow, there are two genre's I never hear about in the same line as Therapy. Very cool. Challenging stuff to play btw!
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Post by zwak on Jul 12, 2017 9:03:48 GMT -7
I have the Therapy head with 6L6's and a Z cab, 112 Creamback and I love it! I play Jazz, Fusion Jazz and Blues through it, and with minor adjustments to the tone controls and Master I can get this amp to work great for all these Genre's. Jazz and Fusion Jazz? Wow, there are two genre's I never hear about in the same line as Therapy. Very cool. Challenging stuff to play btw! This is a very clean amp, if you don't put the master and volume pots on 10, delivering amazing tone for Jazz. Fusion Jazz has always pushed the limits of tube amps. If you listen to Scott Henderson, he is using a Suhr 100 watt head with the gain turned up. I feel the Therapy has that same tone at a much lower overhead. So now we can add Jazz and Fusion Jazz to the many usable musical genre's the Therapy can cover.
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