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Post by Faze on Feb 19, 2017 17:02:35 GMT -7
The Cure Is a gig worthy little tone monster! I got to test it out at church today and was pleasantly surprised at how it cut through the mix and hung tight with the Hammond b3 organ and the drums. I had the master all the way up and the volume at about 2 treble at 11 mids 11 and bass at about 2. Level of course was wide open. What I got was a big fat tone. The boost also came into play once things got louder I was able to cut through with nice lead tones. My main concern when buying the Cure was would it be able to perform live and boy did it exceed my expectations. I am very impressed with the tone this little amp puts out in a live setting. It has a warm rich harmonic tone and you can feel the notes breath with your fingers. The touch response is great. Plus I was able to walk in with my guitar slung on my shoulder and the amp in my right hand. Easy access baby! Another thing to let you all know is we play loud in my church so for this amp to cut through like it did was a big thing for me. I am so glad I took a chance on this amp! It really surpassed my expectations not just at home but also live. I'm cured!
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Post by mpa93 on Feb 19, 2017 17:21:19 GMT -7
Great to hear! Congrats. I have two on order. I am planning to run one clean and one dirty (A/B). After your experience today, do you think the amp can stay clean but loud, we tend to play smaller venues where I am often asked to turn down (and I don't play loud...lol).
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Post by Faze on Feb 19, 2017 17:29:43 GMT -7
Great to hear! Congrats. I have two on order. I am planning to run one clean and one dirty (A/B). After your experience today, do you think the amp can stay clean but loud, we tend to play smaller venues where I am often asked to turn down (and I don't play loud...lol). Yes I play real clean. I got a really nice Loud clean tone. That edge of breakup is there as well. The great thing about this amp is it's EQ section. You can set it up how you want and just use your Guitar volume and tone knobs to get what ever else you want. I ran my amp hot today and just manipulated my guitar to get my cleans. I also have a treble bleed in my strats so that also helps me retain that clean tone when rolling back. But yes I think you will be real happy with that scenario. It's a juicy sounding amp it's not harsh at all real rich and harmonic And that's both clean and dirty. Having two would be even betterđź‘Ť
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Post by Faze on Feb 19, 2017 17:41:16 GMT -7
I would also like to add that my Z-lux is my main gigging amp. I know why the Doc advertised this as a Z-Lux jr. because it does have some of that Z-Lux flavor in it. Trust me I been gigging the Z-Lux for about a year now and today playing through the Cure I see what he is talking about. The Z-Lux is obviously a step up from the Cure with more bells and whistles but if you don't need tremolo or reverb or the 40 watts the cure is a no brainer. Don't get me wrong I don't plan on selling my Z-Lux but the cure is a great amp in its own right. It also has some of the threapy in it as well but it's smoother sounding to me then the therapy. I also was impressed with how this combo moved air! It did not sound boxy at all. When you factor everything in that this amp has to offer and for the price it's a win win situation.
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Post by mpa93 on Feb 19, 2017 17:59:47 GMT -7
I was thinking that if I needed a little more volume at a gig, I could run both amps. I have the Fulltone A/B/Y and it does a great job with the two amp set-up.
I love the thought of a Z-Lux, but I don't use reverb or tremolo, and I really like the studio cab size and weight. I have had a Maz 8 Studio and Maz 18 Studio. Easy to carry and don't take up a lot of space on stage.
Thanks for the great description of the Cure randy, I was excited about the Cure before, now I am really excited to get playing on it!
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Post by Faze on Feb 19, 2017 18:09:47 GMT -7
I was thinking that if I needed a little more volume at a gig, I could run both amps. I have the Fulltone A/B/Y and it does a great job with the two amp set-up. I love the thought of a Z-Lux, but I don't use reverb or tremolo, and I really like the studio cab size and weight. I have had a Maz 8 Studio and Maz 18 Studio. Easy to carry and don't take up a lot of space on stage. Thanks for the great description of the Cure randy, I was excited about the Cure before, now I am really excited to get playing on it! I think you will be real happy another thing is you can always use your variable boost set low for your clean amp if you need more clean headroom. I had the maz 18 nr studio combo and regretfully sold mine. I really liked that studio combo too. You really can't beat the weight and portability of the studio combos. The good news is imho this amp cuts through better and is even lighter then the maz 18 jr. Although Im going by the older Maz 18 jr studio combo versions that weighed 45 lbs not sure If the newer ones he makes now are lighter then that.
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Post by mpa93 on Feb 19, 2017 19:06:29 GMT -7
Great tip using the variable boost on the clean amp. I wouldn't have thought to do that. Thanks.
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Post by telewolf on Feb 20, 2017 16:22:32 GMT -7
Running two amps doesn't mean you will have more volume it just means there will be a more 3d sound, correct? Two equal watt amps at the same level would only increase about 3db?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 16:28:50 GMT -7
Running two amps doesn't mean you will have more volume it just means there will be a more 3d sound, correct? Two equal watt amps at the same level would only increase about 3db? 3 db = double!
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Post by doctorice on Feb 21, 2017 18:47:58 GMT -7
This may help Crown dB reference3 dB when measuring watts (or volts, etc.) indicates a doubling of the power, as noted. But doubling the power does not produce double the sound pressure level, i.e., a 40-watt amp is not, all else equal, twice as loud as a 20-watt amp even though it has twice as much or 3dB more power. I believe some confusion occurs because SPL also is measured in dB, but remember dB is just a scaling shorthand. A lot of dB measures are relative to a use-specific reference.
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Post by mpa93 on Feb 22, 2017 7:47:33 GMT -7
This may help Crown dB reference3 dB when measuring watts (or volts, etc.) indicates a doubling of the power, as noted. But doubling the power does not produce double the sound pressure level, i.e., a 40-watt amp is not, all else equal, twice as loud as a 20-watt amp even though it has twice as much or 3dB more power. I believe some confusion occurs because SPL also is measured in dB, but remember dB is just a scaling shorthand. A lot of dB measures are relative to a use-specific reference. Thanks for the explanation doc. I have to be honest here, I never quite understood db and wattage but what you described above makes sense. So to get louder, is the goal is to "push more air" or create more "sound pressure"? It just makes sense to me that running two Cures at the same time would fill the room with more sound (if needed). But from my experience with Z's amps, I think one Cure will be plenty for 90% of the gigs I play.
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Post by zacmac on Feb 22, 2017 7:52:34 GMT -7
I think it sits between a princeton reverb and a deluxe reverb volume wise but probably closer to the deluxe in terms of relative volume. I'm really looking forward to having a chance to rehearse with it soon. It checked off a lot of boxes in my head re: what I needed in an amp
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Post by doctorice on Feb 22, 2017 8:38:15 GMT -7
This may help Crown dB reference3 dB when measuring watts (or volts, etc.) indicates a doubling of the power, as noted. But doubling the power does not produce double the sound pressure level, i.e., a 40-watt amp is not, all else equal, twice as loud as a 20-watt amp even though it has twice as much or 3dB more power. I believe some confusion occurs because SPL also is measured in dB, but remember dB is just a scaling shorthand. A lot of dB measures are relative to a use-specific reference. So to get louder, is the goal is to "push more air" or create more "sound pressure"? "Pushing more air" could certainly imply more sound pressure, i.e., volume at the listener's ears, but I suppose it could also mean an accentuated or extended bass response, as in "my 4x12 pushes a lot more air than my combo". "Sound pressure level" is the engineers' phrase. I have an app on my phone (Audio Tool) that has a dB meter. It's measuring sound pressure level via the phone's mic, not relative power of an amp.
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Post by Faze on Feb 22, 2017 10:29:06 GMT -7
I think it sits between a princeton reverb and a deluxe reverb volume wise but probably closer to the deluxe in terms of relative volume. I'm really looking forward to having a chance to rehearse with it soon. It checked off a lot of boxes in my head re: what I needed in an amp I tried a Princeton reverb and a deluxe and I have to agree. The Cure sounded louder to me then the Princeton and clearer. I was really surprised at how powerful it is in a live setting. And I don't mic 🎤 my amps either.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Feb 22, 2017 16:08:45 GMT -7
This may help Crown dB reference3 dB when measuring watts (or volts, etc.) indicates a doubling of the power, as noted. But doubling the power does not produce double the sound pressure level, i.e., a 40-watt amp is not, all else equal, twice as loud as a 20-watt amp even though it has twice as much or 3dB more power. I believe some confusion occurs because SPL also is measured in dB, but remember dB is just a scaling shorthand. A lot of dB measures are relative to a use-specific reference. One way to understand these db calculators is to plug in some variables and look at what is happening. For example - I used the "Amplifier Power Required" calculator, and plugged in 3 meters for the distance (fairly typical in a bar), 100db for the desired volume (a bit loud, but admit it), then try 97db speaker and push calculate. You'll see you need a 36 watt amp. Next change the speaker to 100db and press calculate again. Hey, the required amp power drops to 18 watts. Let's try a 103db speaker. Press calculate and holy cats - you only need a 9 watt amp to produce 100db at 3 meters. Try it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 8:50:37 GMT -7
In a practical sense as a guy who's used multiple amp rigs for years any second amp will add volume, and quite a bit too. I've found that even adding a little amp like a Vox AC 4 along with a Carmen Ghia will produce an audible difference in the sound coming off the stage.
Try it yourself instead of looking at this data.
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Post by Paul (TRANE) on Feb 26, 2017 16:55:07 GMT -7
In a practical sense as a guy who's used multiple amp rigs for years any second amp will add volume, and quite a bit too. I've found that even adding a little amp like a Vox AC 4 along with a Carmen Ghia will produce an audible difference in the sound coming off the stage. Try it yourself instead of looking at this data. Agreed. I have done this mixing various Plexis. JTM-45 & JMP-50 makes a lovely mix and certainly louder than just one or the other. Also noticable with a 30watt combo when adding in a 7watt combo. Very cool tones and mixes.
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