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Post by simpleton on Dec 11, 2016 23:00:50 GMT -7
Sometimes I wish my Therapy was in a combo .... I think it's because it seems easier to sit in with strangers when you don't walk in the door with a huge set up...head, cab, ZVerb..... Sometimes I wish the Therapy came in reverb model as well as non reverb.... I think I'm in a phase, again, where I just want everything in one package...like the ZLUX or Maz series...Reverb or 'verb & Tremolo plus the EQ Bypass boost ...seems like amazing.
I haven't settled on a speaker yet...didn't have the V30 long enough to tell because I bought a used WGS Retro 30....which had an issue and so I stumbled into a Canabis Rex 4ohm...also I've tried a Weber ceramic Blue Dog and went back to C Rex right now....want to try a few more down the road.
Sometimes I miss the EL84 chime from the Ghia and Monza or the squishy tube sounds......
but every time I play the Therapy I just love it. It pairs great with the Z Verb ....I'm feeling like I need some fresh tubes to sweeten the tones up a bit as mine are a couple years in of regular abuse. This amp hasn't blown a tube, which I found easier to do with EL84's....the tubes still sound great at low volume but as the gain and levels go up, the highs seem to get harsher than normal.
I've had this amp a couple years now and still find new voicings regularly. So, while I lust after other amps from time to time.... this Therapy has been a very, very good and entertaining amp to play. Like all Z amps, it really responds to the guitar and speakers and is very touch sensitive. Can be very clean to very dirty....it has a raspy dirty that seems tweed like.
Secretly I want to put a MAZ 8 in my stocking.....hung by the fire WITH CARE
The Therapy is a very clear amp...even when dirty. Must be due to the non cascading pre amp.
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Post by purpletele on Dec 12, 2016 0:48:33 GMT -7
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The Therapy and the Maz 8 are a nice pair to draw!
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Post by nmz on Dec 12, 2016 3:52:30 GMT -7
Ya, those new Maz 8's are very tempting. I would love to add a Zverb someday......
If you get a chance and have the speaker swap bug try a WGS Vet 30.
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Post by Maddog on Dec 12, 2016 5:17:29 GMT -7
It's an excellent amp, Jason! And you play it well!!!
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Post by Faze on Dec 12, 2016 8:49:50 GMT -7
Having sold mine and now getting it back I am very greatful. I often wondered why Dr.Z makes some amps available in both head and combo and some amps just in the head version. Combos are def easier to haul around that's for sure. But the cab head really isn't that bad if you have a fold out dolly it's just bulky. I use a fold out dolly and it makes things much easier. I like having a combo and the head/cab it gives you the best of both worlds. They both have there pros and cons some say combos are harder on tubes and sometimes rattle. I like em both. I tried to convince myself that I could get by with just the Z-Lux combo. I was wrong about that and I am glad. The therapy is a rich sounding amp. Plus I love the simplicity of it. The more dials and options on a amp for me is just too much. Less is sometimes better. I like to set it and forget it. Get my tone and use my guitar for the rest or my pedals. The therapy is perfect for that. Glad to be back in therapy!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 10:08:29 GMT -7
Therapy and Maz 18 in stereo is a glorious combo. Therapy and Z Lux in stereo is probably pretty darn sweet, too.
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Post by djcakadave on Dec 12, 2016 17:10:51 GMT -7
You mean like this?
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Post by simpleton on Dec 12, 2016 18:06:16 GMT -7
Yes...YEs....YES. BUT maybe a different color. Have the tubes given you any trouble sideways?
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Post by simpleton on Dec 12, 2016 18:13:25 GMT -7
Therapy and Maz 18 in stereo is a glorious combo. Therapy and Z Lux in stereo is probably pretty darn sweet, too. My old Monza couldn't keep up with the Therapy power wise and so I think if I wanted a mate for a solo amp....I'd be thinking SRZ, ROUTE 66, MAZ 38, Antidote...something that could be equally as powerful in its delivery at the upper volumes. The MAZ 8 is described as every bit as loud as a Princeton...lots of guys around here gig with Princetons. If a MAZ 8 could be my portable smaller amp and the Therapy be my bigger....well seems like a good mix. Maybe this newer smaller 6V6 amp that Dr Z is coming out with will be the one for portable....just want reverb on board and hope for a EQ boost to make a one guitar, one amp travel kit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 19:09:10 GMT -7
Therapy and Maz 18 in stereo is a glorious combo. Therapy and Z Lux in stereo is probably pretty darn sweet, too. My old Monza couldn't keep up with the Therapy power wise and so I think if I wanted a mate for a solo amp....I'd be thinking SRZ, ROUTE 66, MAZ 38, Antidote...something that could be equally as powerful in its delivery at the upper volumes. The MAZ 8 is described as every bit as loud as a Princeton...lots of guys around here gig with Princetons. If a MAZ 8 could be my portable smaller amp and the Therapy be my bigger....well seems like a good mix. Maybe this newer smaller 6V6 amp that Dr Z is coming out with will be the one for portable....just want reverb on board and hope for a EQ boost to make a one guitar, one amp travel kit. I have a 100dB speaker paired with my Therapy and the Z12 in my Maz. No volume issues getting them to match up at the point of breakup where one isn't overpowering the other. I run the Maz with V and M at high noon, and the Therapy with the M wide open and the V close to noon. Sometimes, I'll use a Brake Lite to knock 3dB off of the Therapy depending on the room.
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Post by djcakadave on Dec 12, 2016 20:43:51 GMT -7
Yes...YEs....YES. BUT maybe a different color. Have the tubes given you any trouble sideways? Not yet! Kind of weird right before I received the combo the 6L6's were developing a rattle. I haven't heard that rattle since I loaded the chassis into the combo cabinet?
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Post by simpleton on Dec 12, 2016 21:43:36 GMT -7
Yes...YEs....YES. BUT maybe a different color. Have the tubes given you any trouble sideways? Not yet! Kind of weird right before I received the combo the 6L6's were developing a rattle. I haven't heard that rattle since I loaded the chassis into the combo cabinet? MY rectifier is rattling!! So the solution is a new cab....here I was just gonna get tubes. But honest that was exactly what I was thinking about when I asked about your tubes. I remembered that story. So no re tube for you yet either? This amp is really nice in tubes .
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Post by zwak on Dec 13, 2016 14:13:58 GMT -7
You mean like this?
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Post by zwak on Dec 13, 2016 14:14:38 GMT -7
Ok, so thanks for the tease! Who made this setup for you?
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Post by djcakadave on Dec 13, 2016 15:32:44 GMT -7
Ok, so thanks for the tease! Who made this setup for you? Peter Mather. Mather cabinets
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Post by JeffG on Dec 14, 2016 9:02:37 GMT -7
Simpleton, I agree. The Therapy is the amp I love the most. I'm not really even tempted by anything else (for my main amp). However, I do sometimes wish the amp had reverb - I'm with you on that. And yes, if I'm just gonna go jam then I'll bring a different amp b/c it's a combo. But when it comes time to gig - Therapy hands down.
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Post by simpleton on Dec 14, 2016 9:29:41 GMT -7
Simpleton, I agree. The Therapy is the amp I love the most. I'm not really even tempted by anything else (for my main amp). However, I do sometimes wish the amp had reverb - I'm with you on that. And yes, if I'm just gonna go jam then I'll bring a different amp b/c it's a combo. But when it comes time to gig - Therapy hands down. Sometimes I want to sell/trade my Therapy to try to achieve the ideal one amp dream....but I don't want to lose what the Therapy does. I think I just might have to accept that the Therapy might be what I am looking for...but it only comes in a head and doesn't have reverb. I only miss reverb when I play alone.....the reverb spreads out my sorrows into a bigger room . When I play with others I don't miss reverb at all. I really need to do a re-tube .... and wait to hear the new lower cost 6V6 combo Dr Z said was coming out early 2017....it might be the Cure for my portable jam amp.
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Post by simpleton on Dec 14, 2016 16:25:56 GMT -7
Today was a great day with the Therapy. I really find that when the Volume is cranked up high that the Middle and Treble usually come down...way down. Dr Z mentions a unique Bass circuit in the Therapy description.....it is unique. Sometimes I think about how he lives 3 knob amps and use only Master, Bass, and Volume ....like today. A tad bit of Middle...a smidge of Treble. The Therapy was really making me feel like Keith Richards and the Stones...plus some Jeff Beck kinda sounds....this amp keeps winning!
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Post by markT on Dec 15, 2016 5:35:30 GMT -7
A tad bit of Middle...a smidge of Treble. The Therapy was really making me feel like Keith Richards and the Stones...plus some Jeff Beck kinda sounds.... this amp keeps winning! Yes!!! The Therapy is a winner! And like you say....Keeps winning!!
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Post by Faze on Dec 15, 2016 16:45:38 GMT -7
Today was a great day with the Therapy. I really find that when the Volume is cranked up high that the Middle and Treble usually come down...way down. Dr Z mentions a unique Bass circuit in the Therapy description.....it is unique. Sometimes I think about how he lives 3 knob amps and use only Master, Bass, and Volume ....like today. A tad bit of Middle...a smidge of Treble. The Therapy was really making me feel like Keith Richards and the Stones...plus some Jeff Beck kinda sounds....this amp keeps winning! I was playing mine today as well and experimenting with the Master up and volume down and visa versa. Nothing but pure tone all the way around. Just a great sounding amp. Its a winner no doubt about it.
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Post by nmz on Dec 16, 2016 13:43:49 GMT -7
Today was a great day with the Therapy. I really find that when the Volume is cranked up high that the Middle and Treble usually come down...way down. Dr Z mentions a unique Bass circuit in the Therapy description.....it is unique. Sometimes I think about how he lives 3 knob amps and use only Master, Bass, and Volume ....like today. A tad bit of Middle...a smidge of Treble. The Therapy was really making me feel like Keith Richards and the Stones...plus some Jeff Beck kinda sounds....this amp keeps winning! I was playing mine today as well and experimenting with the Master up and volume down and visa versa. Nothing but pure tone all the way around. Just a great sounding amp. Its a winner no doubt about it. I've been using mine the same way recently.
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Post by nicholas on Dec 17, 2016 9:35:44 GMT -7
Glad you got a good day with the Therapy Simpleton. I too really gravitate to combos, and verb. There are a few amps in the Z lineup I'd really want to try if they were a combo format with verb. I sent you a PM.
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Post by simpleton on Dec 21, 2016 9:57:58 GMT -7
I found an old pair of 6L6 that I had replaced in my closet as well as a couple preamps. They were in a paper bag labeled " BAD TUBES " ..... well the pair of 6L6 sounded great ! My dear old Therapy was suffering from a yucky high end tone which went undiscovered at home volumes, but were revealed when at louder volumes. Also felt like the gain was getting rougher and also suffering in the highs....found that switching the preamp tubes around a bit until it sounded right...!!!
Eureka !! A BUNCH of warmness all of a sudden and the Therapy is sounding fantastic....the EQ makes sense again and is more encouraging to try brighter settings with. This amp was so easy on tubes that I had not noticed them losing their zing.
Tube needs with this amp might sneak up on me where as the MONZA just blew them up ..... well not really, but EL84's fail a bit more than 6L6 maybe.
Anyways y'all, watch the tone with yer Therapy and when it doesn't seem right....TUBES TUBES TUBES
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Dec 22, 2016 16:56:28 GMT -7
I'm so glad you zeroed in on the issue and solved it. Man, there's nothing that drives me bonkers quicker than an amp with a couple of tubes that are going bad. Makes all the difference. Plus something I learned about the Therapy is that it likes to run. Like a race car, you gotta gas it. I just got an Air Brake and I'm loving the Therapy like never before. I just couldn't crank it to the point that it needed to be to sound its best. Now I can, woohoo!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 18:36:19 GMT -7
I'm so glad you zeroed in on the issue and solved it. Man, there's nothing that drives me bonkers quicker than an amp with a couple of tubes that are going bad. Makes all the difference. Plus something I learned about the Therapy is that it likes to run. Like a race car, you gotta gas it. I just got an Air Brake and I'm loving the Therapy like never before. I just couldn't crank it to the point that it needed to be to sound its best. Now I can, woohoo!!! It's magical, isn't it? I just started running it with the master wide open and the volume to around noon depending on the guitar. The harmonics, the clarity, the touch response, I can't imagine how it could get much better...
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Post by simpleton on Dec 22, 2016 19:11:09 GMT -7
I'm so glad you zeroed in on the issue and solved it. Man, there's nothing that drives me bonkers quicker than an amp with a couple of tubes that are going bad. Makes all the difference. Plus something I learned about the Therapy is that it likes to run. Like a race car, you gotta gas it. I just got an Air Brake and I'm loving the Therapy like never before. I just couldn't crank it to the point that it needed to be to sound its best. Now I can, woohoo!!! I use to think the Brake Lite was superfluous with the MV.....but I think you are onto something with it. Getting those power tubes going seems to be a big secret in the Therapy. These tubes I put in are almost there...but I think that after the new year I'll try to find a great set for this amp. When you re-tube a Therapy you really appreciate the simple circuit and no reverb or tremolo....not only cheaper but it makes swapping tubes around so easy. My first clue that I needed tubes should of been when my Les Paul with P90's wasn't sounding good thru it. The loss of tone can be so gradual that you don't realize you've lost it......life is the same....art and life imitating each other again.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Dec 23, 2016 7:23:21 GMT -7
Production tubes today are in bad need of ISO 9000 quality control. It's ironic that the amps we play are built with the highest quality and best components in the industry, and are forced to rely on tubes made to a much lower standard. It must drive Doc nuts. We need a tube manufacturer here in the USA that could build to DR.Z standards.
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Post by nmz on Dec 23, 2016 11:59:55 GMT -7
Replaced mine a couple months back and was very happy. It does sneak up on ya with this amp.
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Post by purpletele on Dec 23, 2016 13:05:47 GMT -7
Replaced mine a couple months back and was very happy. It does sneak up on ya with this amp. What did you use?
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Post by nmz on Dec 23, 2016 14:55:23 GMT -7
Replaced mine a couple months back and was very happy. It does sneak up on ya with this amp. What did you use? JJ's
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