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Post by southmusic70 on Jun 27, 2016 17:46:26 GMT -7
Guys,
I'm trying to lighten the load a little when I go out to variety and jazz jobs with my Therapy and Ghia Anni, respectively, so I'm looking at the Celestion G12 Century Vintage as a replacement for the Celestion C90 in my Mesa Compact open back 1x12 cabinet.
I don't see much talk here about neodymium speakers, but would appreciate any schooling any of you can give me about them in general or this particular model.
Thanks!
South
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Post by Maddog on Jun 27, 2016 18:41:48 GMT -7
The only guy on here I know that has experience with them is Eric (roscoenyc). Maybe he'll chime in....
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Post by nmz on Jun 27, 2016 19:32:21 GMT -7
I had that exact speaker until a week ago. It is amazingly light and the tone was not that bad at all. It seemed to not be as full as a ceramic speaker and maybe a little less than an Alnico. But all in all not bad and fairly neutral.
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Post by southmusic70 on Jun 28, 2016 3:51:28 GMT -7
Besides light, "neutral" may be the most important attribute I'm looking for since I'll be playing a variety of guitars through it.
Thanks for the info.
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Post by Brian on Jun 28, 2016 6:54:11 GMT -7
I have used that speaker for the past 3 years or so in my Maz 18 NR. I liked the factory G12H, but it was heavy. I tried a Celestion Blue...it farted out on the low end. I tried a Gold, I don't think I let it break in enough, but I didn't like the sound as much as the G12H. I tried a Greenback and it broke up a little sooner than I liked, then I found the Vintage Neo. I loved it right off and it has only got better after it broke in. It sounds alot like the G12H...firm bottom end, blooming mids and nice highs. I highly recommend it. I like a ceramic speaker more than an Alnico and to me it sounded alot closer to a ceramic. There's my 2 cents. Try one, you'll like it...
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Post by southmusic70 on Jun 29, 2016 7:30:15 GMT -7
Thanks, Brian; that's excellent information.
I see that Celestion makes a 12"er called a Neo Creamback. Looking at the description and specs, it would seem that the Neo Century would be more neutral.
Any wisdom on this out there on the Neo Creamback?
Thanks.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jun 29, 2016 11:32:05 GMT -7
Something tells me that the Neo Creamback is based off the Greenback (and Creamback, etc.) cone, whereas the G12 Century Vintage would be based off the Vintage 30 cone. But do not accept this as fact, rather as my educated guess...
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Post by BritInvasion on Jun 29, 2016 11:42:35 GMT -7
I think there may be UK reviews on the Neo Creamback , no one has 'em yet over here in the US . Delivery dates keep getting pushed back for some reason . I'm probably going to put one in my Maz 18 down the road.
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Post by easyed on Jul 4, 2016 13:06:54 GMT -7
I've only been in the Dr.Z fold for a couple of weeks, so I can't make assertions about how a particular speaker will sound in your amp.
I've had great experience with the Eminence Li'l Texas in "American" voiced amps - Fender Deluxe Reverb and an Allen Sweet Spot. I would call them responsive, yet pretty neutral.
Eminence also sells the Tonkerlite - essentially the same speaker but voiced for more midrange.
These speakers are very efficient, and the weight saved is really significant when you're toting the amp.
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Post by hymns on Jul 4, 2016 16:26:50 GMT -7
Easyed is pretty right on with the Li'l Texas. I had one in a Red Plate CDS2 and it sounded pretty good to be in that small of a cab. They are quick and has more of a mid to it. I would think with a little bigger cab it would be more round sounding. The RP cab was about the same size as a champ, just a little bigger. It sounded great in a studio. Also when a second speaker was added ,it sounded great. It can compliment other speakers
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Post by 4eveR8 on Dec 12, 2017 8:34:18 GMT -7
I am a super fan of the Jensen Jet Tornado.Its rated 100 watts but even in a low watt (Monza) amp and it plays well with attenuation/ master volume, seems to retain a very similar sound throughout the decibel range. Full and even. Plenty of bass and mids with no ice picking. Kinda “hi-fi” but not too hi 😏 YMMV Rock on! www.jensentone.com/jet_series/12_tornado_classic_100
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 8:51:12 GMT -7
I've had the Eminence Lil' Texas and Tonkerlite 12" NEOs for several years. I really like them both. They are very efficient and very light. I had the Lil' Texas in my 12" Gia cabinet.
I recently moved the speakers around after acquiring a 12" Celestion Creamback NEO. I put that in my 12" Ghia cab and took it out on the road for 6 gigs in a row. I have to say that for me the Creamback NEO sounded too "ratty" for me with the Ghia. I was hoping that as a 97 dB sensitivity speaker it might bring the volume down on the Ghia a little bit. It did that but I didn't really like what it did with the tone.
The Eminence Lil' Texas and Tonkerlites are my favorite NEOs. I had a Jensen 10" NEO but it wasn't the Jet Tornado and it's hard to compare 10"s with 12"s
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Post by arafel on Dec 28, 2017 9:15:01 GMT -7
I use those Celestion Century Vintage speakers in my Hard Truckers 2x12 cabinet and love them. I can pick up the cab in one hand and the head in the other.
Here are some vids so you can hear them:
Clean, through Twin Reverb head
Grit, through TR head
Mixture of tunes, through EZG 50 head
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Post by Christopher on Jan 3, 2018 11:33:32 GMT -7
Just wanted to add a quick comment. I've used both the Neo 10 and 12 and found them to be good reference speakers. By that I mean they don't really impart a lot of color to the sound of the amp. I put a neo 10 in my 1/10 Z-28 combo and it's not only lighter but very toneful and representative of whatever guitar I plug into it. I'd like to try out the Jensen Tornado but the neo was cheaper.
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Post by southmusic70 on Jan 3, 2018 15:43:38 GMT -7
Exactly which 10” neo, Chris?
I ask because I’m about to respeaker my BF Vibrolux Reverb, and I want something relatively “neutral.”
Thanks!
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Post by Christopher on Jan 3, 2018 15:55:51 GMT -7
The Jensen "Neo" 10. It's their first neodymium ten in the series which was followed by the Jet series which has a ten and twelve Neo mag speaker with different tonality and character respectively. I've not used an eminence tonkerlite or Texas heat but I have had a Century Neo Celestion and it wasn't bad for lightening the load in my Z-28 back when I had a 1/12 combo. I didn't dig it as much as the H30 that was inside so I went back to that. Here's the current Neo ten in my Z-28: gif hosterJust to mention the WGS C/S ten I had weighs close to ten lbs and the neo weighs 4 lbs.
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Post by BritInvasion on Jan 4, 2018 8:04:30 GMT -7
I recently moved the speakers around after acquiring a 12" Celestion Creamback NEO. I put that in my 12" Ghia cab and took it out on the road for 6 gigs in a row. I have to say that for me the Creamback NEO sounded too "ratty" for me with the Ghia. I was hoping that as a 97 dB sensitivity speaker it might bring the volume down on the Ghia a little bit. It did that but I didn't really like what it did with the tone. I'm kind of bummed to hear this Eric , but thanks for some straight information. I was gonna try a Neo Creamback in my Maz 18NR studio combo, but now reconsidering it. I value your expertise , thanks for sharing it!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 9:37:17 GMT -7
I recently moved the speakers around after acquiring a 12" Celestion Creamback NEO. I put that in my 12" Ghia cab and took it out on the road for 6 gigs in a row. I have to say that for me the Creamback NEO sounded too "ratty" for me with the Ghia. I was hoping that as a 97 dB sensitivity speaker it might bring the volume down on the Ghia a little bit. It did that but I didn't really like what it did with the tone. I'm kind of bummed to hear this Eric , but thanks for some straight information. I was gonna try a Neo Creamback in my Maz 18NR studio combo, but now reconsidering it. I value your expertise , thanks for sharing it! I wholeheartedly recommend the Eminence Tonker Lite and Lil' Texas NEOs.
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Post by southmusic70 on Jan 6, 2018 19:33:00 GMT -7
With a link from Chris, I just ordered 2 used Jensen Neo 10”s off of Reverb.com and will respeaker my BF Vibrolux Reverb with them.
After that, I may start swapping out some 12s a la roscoenyc.
Hopefully, lighter will be better.
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Post by southmusic70 on Jan 7, 2018 14:29:38 GMT -7
I guess I’m on a roll; I just ordered a Eminence Lil Texas for my Cure.
Watch for my sale of the Z12.
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Post by southmusic70 on Jan 12, 2018 13:59:44 GMT -7
I got the Lil Texas in my Cure and spent some time with it and my CS336 today.
To my ears it has a satisfying sound; the bass doesn’t flub out, the highs are precise but not icy, and the mids are full but not obtrusive.
Although the weight reduction was only 3 or 4 pounds, it’s noticeable when I pick it up.
I think it will do just fine.
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Post by Hohn on Jan 19, 2018 16:36:07 GMT -7
I'm kind of bummed to hear this Eric , but thanks for some straight information. I was gonna try a Neo Creamback in my Maz 18NR studio combo, but now reconsidering it. I value your expertise , thanks for sharing it! I wholeheartedly recommend the Eminence Tonker Lite and Lil' Texas NEOs. Tonker and (presumably Tonkerlite) are my favorite Eminence speakers by far. LOUD as all get out though.
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Post by BritInvasion on Jan 19, 2018 17:25:37 GMT -7
I wholeheartedly recommend the Eminence Tonker Lite and Lil' Texas NEOs. Tonker and (presumably Tonkerlite) are my favorite Eminence speakers by far. LOUD as all get out though. I agree on both points. When I had my Maz 8 I put in a Tonkerlite. I liked the sound , and there was a marked jump in volume.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Oct 25, 2018 19:38:48 GMT -7
I've got a 'Lil Texas Neo coming in tomorrow afternoon. Looking forward to seeing how it sounds in my Cure. It would be great if it works out, because that amp is light weight to begin with, equipped with the Z-12. I hope it sounds similar.
That's going to make the Cure almost irresistible to grab for practices and probably more than a few gigs. I may also try it out in the Nova and Z-Plus, both of which currently have Z-12 speakers too.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Oct 26, 2018 13:18:25 GMT -7
I got the Lil Texas in my Cure and spent some time with it and my CS336 today. To my ears it has a satisfying sound; the bass doesn’t flub out, the highs are precise but not icy, and the mids are full but not obtrusive. Although the weight reduction was only 3 or 4 pounds, it’s noticeable when I pick it up. I think it will do just fine. I got mine today and put it in my Cure too. I agree with your review, it sounds great. It looks so puny but it really kicks when you crank it up, and it sounds very good at low levels too, clean or dirty. And it does make the amp noticeably lighter.
South, (and anyone else with some time on the Lil Tex) have you noticed any difference as the speaker gets some hours on it? Does it get brighter, bassier, any change at all? I'm liking what I'm hearing right now and I'm just curious to see if you fellas have noticed any differences after getting it broken in a bit.
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Post by southmusic70 on Oct 26, 2018 15:08:45 GMT -7
I’ve gigged my Cure with the lil Texas Neo probably 12 or 15 times (3 hours/job), plus playing some at home for setting experimentation and dialing in effects boards, so I would say that the speaker’s got at least 50 hours on it.
I don’t notice any difference in sound since I put it in in January of this year; it’s still even, and sounds good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 15:11:37 GMT -7
I've had the Eminence Lil' Texas and Tonkerlite NEOs for a while now (several years) and I'm still a fan.
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Post by lowbudget on Oct 26, 2018 15:36:46 GMT -7
I've had the Eminence Lil' Texas and Tonkerlite NEOs for a while now (several years) and I'm still a fan. I totally agree with this. My self-imposed "rule" is that if the amp is American flavored it gets a Lil' Texas, and a Tonkerlite if it's British. Works for me. Every time I hear someone talking about how they sound sterile I conclude that they have become accustomed to speakers that color their sound, like a C. Blue. By the way, I could be wrong about this but I don't think Jensen still makes the basic 10" neo. It's a shame because it was a good speaker that filled a gap in the market.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 15:58:25 GMT -7
I have the Lil’ Texas in my Ghia and the Tonkerlite in my 12” Pro Jr. They are both quite efficient and pretty ‘full range’
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Oct 26, 2018 19:03:12 GMT -7
I'm most impressed with my first impression in the Cure. Sounds great. Now I guess I'm going to have to try the Tonkerlite!
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