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Post by frankie on Jun 16, 2016 10:01:55 GMT -7
We've made some improvements to what is becoming a shop favorite here. The Maz 8 has an improved New Post-Phase Inverter Master Volume circuitry (PPIMV), improved Reverb circuit, and comes with the new variable boost footswitch. All Maz 8 amps will come stock with a NOS Russian mil-spec 6n14n power tube, as used in the Maz 18 and Z Wreck. Dave really captures how effective the master volume is in this video. He plays and talks over his playing and really showcases the great, rich tone you can get by utilizing the master volume on this amp.
Enjoy!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 10:14:12 GMT -7
OK, now I definitely need to sell my Monza...
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Post by Easyrom on Jun 16, 2016 10:15:54 GMT -7
Wow. It the new PPIMV master volume sounds and feels like the one of the Therapy, it must be very very cool. I love my Maz 8, but I do need my Brake Lite at 2 or 3 (and even sometimes at 4) to play at home with this little monster. When I had one, I was able to push my Therapy into great overdrive without any attenuation...
So great update to a great amp!
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Post by BritInvasion on Jun 16, 2016 10:16:58 GMT -7
Shoot. Now maybe I need another one.
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Post by mattl on Jun 16, 2016 10:22:23 GMT -7
Awesome! I love my Maz 8 and it continues to aMAZe me.
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Post by frankie on Jun 16, 2016 10:31:17 GMT -7
Ha, just spoke with Z. "Technically" the new master volume circuit isn't "post phase inverter" as a single-ended amp has no PI tube. So, I spoke incorrectly. Still sounds great!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 10:33:20 GMT -7
Ha, just spoke with Z. "Technically" the new master volume circuit isn't "post phase inverter" as a single-ended amp has no PI tube. So, I spoke incorrectly. Still sounds great! I'm not a technical guy, the sound is all that matters! You could have told me the amp had a mini unicorn blowing extra pixie dust into the output tubes and I wouldn't have cared...
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Post by DRZ on Jun 16, 2016 11:01:01 GMT -7
Ha, just spoke with Z. "Technically" the new master volume circuit isn't "post phase inverter" as a single-ended amp has no PI tube. So, I spoke incorrectly. Still sounds great! I'm not a technical guy, the sound is all that matters! You could have told me the amp had a mini unicorn blowing extra pixie dust into the output tubes and I wouldn't have cared... Yes guys I did catch that error on the video, but decided let it stay. The Master Volume works exactly as a PPIMV does on dual tube output amps, and since the MAZ 8 is single ended True Class A there is no Phase to Split to drive push pull output tubes. But the term PPIMV does define a sound and operation to most players that have used one, so I decided to leave the mental picture of the circuit , even though in technical correctness it's not a PPIMV.
It is new designed circuit which I would had to give an unfamiliar name to, which I don't feel would have helped the description.
And yes it does have a mini unicorn blowing in pixie dust , as well as many other magical things , in this new advanced upgraded MAZ 8.
DR.Z
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Post by doctorice on Jun 16, 2016 11:17:05 GMT -7
So, Doc, the question is, can older 8s be updated to current specs? (I think I have #5.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 11:18:29 GMT -7
I'm not a technical guy, the sound is all that matters! You could have told me the amp had a mini unicorn blowing extra pixie dust into the output tubes and I wouldn't have cared... Yes guys I did catch that error on the video, but decided let it stay. The Master Volume works exactly as a PPIMV does on dual tube output amps, and since the MAZ 8 is single ended True Class A there is no Phase to Split to drive push pull output tubes. But the term PPIMV does define a sound and operation to most players that have used one, so I decided to leave the mental picture of the circuit , even though in technical correctness it's not a PPIMV.
It is new designed circuit which I would had to give an unfamiliar name to, which I don't feel would have helped the description.
And yes it does have a mini unicorn blowing in pixie dust , as well as many other magical things , in this new advanced upgraded MAZ 8.
DR.Z
That unicorn is good at a lot of things, including separating me from my money!!!
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Post by DRZ on Jun 16, 2016 12:42:53 GMT -7
So, Doc, the question is, can older 8s be updated to current specs? (I think I have #5.) We are working on that Mike, just completed the new updates to production so we'll see about older MAZ 8's.
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Post by doctorice on Jun 16, 2016 12:56:59 GMT -7
^^^
Thanks, Doc.
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Post by gwmican on Jun 16, 2016 13:22:42 GMT -7
Are the new updated models already in stores?
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Post by DRZ on Jun 16, 2016 13:40:25 GMT -7
Are the new updated models already in stores? Yes we have been shipping them for about 2 months now.
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Post by bloozeman on Jun 16, 2016 15:50:22 GMT -7
Are the new updated models already in stores? Yes we have been shipping them for about 2 months now. So would the one I just bought from humbucker 3 weeks ago with a build date of 2/15 be the most updated version?
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Post by KeithA on Jun 16, 2016 16:27:39 GMT -7
Yes we have been shipping them for about 2 months now. So would the one I just bought from humbucker 3 weeks ago with a build date of 2/15 be the most updated version? That's a Feb 2015 build date so that would be a pre-updated model.
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Post by zpilot on Jun 16, 2016 17:35:16 GMT -7
OK, that nails it. This WILL be my next amp.
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Post by DRZ on Jun 16, 2016 17:35:24 GMT -7
So would the one I just bought from humbucker 3 weeks ago with a build date of 2/15 be the most updated version? That's a Feb 2015 build date so that would be a pre-updated model. Not so fast, Don has the first serial number that shipped this way, I try and post it. If yours has the variable Boost, 6N14N Russian NOS is installed, and it sounds like the one Dave is playing , good chance it has the mod's.
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Post by KeithA on Jun 16, 2016 17:53:57 GMT -7
That's a Feb 2015 build date so that would be a pre-updated model. Not so fast, Don has the first serial number that shipped this way, I try and post it. If yours has the variable Boost, 6N14N Russian NOS is installed, and it sounds like the one Dave is playing , good chance it has the mod's. Sorry Doc. I figured if the build date listed was right (Feb 2015) that would have been an old model ! That's almost a year and a half ago though.
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Post by DRZ on Jun 16, 2016 18:42:43 GMT -7
I'm sorry Keith , I read Feb 2016, my bad. Z
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Post by simpleton on Jun 17, 2016 0:56:23 GMT -7
Wow.....Dave sounding great as usual. The MAZ 8 has always been alluring....now with the new MV I would guess it will increase in popularity, as so many people want small stage, church and bedroom sized amps.
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Post by ianrossiter on Jun 17, 2016 15:37:06 GMT -7
The MAZ 8 is simoly incredible!!!
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Post by ME on Jun 17, 2016 17:02:41 GMT -7
I loved my original MAZ 8. Sold it to get a Remedy. Thought it would fit the band better as the MAZ 8 wasn't quite enough. I also liked the Route 66 and Antidote I owned. They were a little too much :-( . This tweaked version could make it back. Very tasty! ME
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Post by dergit (Markus) on Jun 18, 2016 0:31:54 GMT -7
I don't think the tweaks go far enough to make someone like it who didn't before – if that were the case, I'd be more afraid of messing mine up because frankly, it's damn near perfect for me. As far as I can tell, it's just more useable Master volume, more controllable reverb and a more reliable power tube. Valid and great updates but not game changers. The Master would be the only change that intrigues me but, like I said, I'd be afraid to mess up my sound. I like dialing in the power tube saturation just fine the way it is now and using attenuation to control volume rather than the Master. I'd have to know more about how it reacts with the tweaked circuit. As is, it's highly dependent on the PI tube, I found. I thought my 18NR had a lot less clean headroom than my MAZ 8. Then I read a PDF by Myles Rose about the PI tube overloading rather than the power tubes and figured that might be it: My 8 came with a Mullard re-issue 12AX7, my 18 came with the Sovtek 12AX7LPS. I pulled that and put in a NOS 12AT7. Now, I have to run the Cut a bit higher but it stays cleaner and saturates a lot more controlled and gradual. If the new Master volume remedies that dependence on the PI tube (I don't know enough about how exactly these circuits work but it sounds like it might), it's worth checking out! Controllable reverb isn't an issue for me (I barely use any) and the power tube tweak is pretty easy to perform yourself. I have a whole box of 6p14ps here and run them in both my MAZs exclusively. I guess what I'm saying is don't be gutted if you only bought your MAZ recently without these new bells and whistles, like me. We're just conditioned to be wanting the newest rev of everything because of computers and smart phones. Tube amps are a much slower evolving technology.
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Post by dergit (Markus) on Jun 18, 2016 0:43:10 GMT -7
... on another note... the effect most MAZ demos have on me is: I NEED A STRAT!
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Post by ME on Jun 18, 2016 9:08:07 GMT -7
... on another note... the effect most MAZ demos have on me is: I NEED A STRAT! One of the major food groups... Haven't been using mine much lately, but I wouldn't want to be without. ME
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Post by Faze on Jun 18, 2016 18:06:53 GMT -7
Wow awesome video and playing. I like how Dave was able to talk and explain the tone at lower volume settings. What a great player! Amp sounded excellent. Nice variety of songs too. I had to smile when I heard cat scratch fever. Dave is awesome.
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Post by KeithA on Jun 18, 2016 18:21:43 GMT -7
I don't think the tweaks go far enough to make someone like it who didn't before – if that were the case, I'd be more afraid of messing mine up because frankly, it's damn near perfect for me. As far as I can tell, it's just more useable Master volume, more controllable reverb and a more reliable power tube. Valid and great updates but not game changers. The Master would be the only change that intrigues me but, like I said, I'd be afraid to mess up my sound. I like dialing in the power tube saturation just fine the way it is now and using attenuation to control volume rather than the Master. I'd have to know more about how it reacts with the tweaked circuit. As is, it's highly dependent on the PI tube, I found. I thought my 18NR had a lot less clean headroom than my MAZ 8. Then I read a PDF by Myles Rose about the PI tube overloading rather than the power tubes and figured that might be it: My 8 came with a Mullard re-issue 12AX7, my 18 came with the Sovtek 12AX7LPS. I pulled that and put in a NOS 12AT7. Now, I have to run the Cut a bit higher but it stays cleaner and saturates a lot more controlled and gradual. If the new Master volume remedies that dependence on the PI tube (I don't know enough about how exactly these circuits work but it sounds like it might), it's worth checking out! Controllable reverb isn't an issue for me (I barely use any) and the power tube tweak is pretty easy to perform yourself. I have a whole box of 6p14ps here and run them in both my MAZs exclusively. I guess what I'm saying is don't be gutted if you only bought your MAZ recently without these new bells and whistles, like me. We're just conditioned to be wanting the newest rev of everything because of computers and smart phones. Tube amps are a much slower evolving technology. Now if tremolo was thrown in the mix......well, !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dreamlander on Jun 19, 2016 12:01:26 GMT -7
I don't think the tweaks go far enough to make someone like it who didn't before – if that were the case, I'd be more afraid of messing mine up because frankly, it's damn near perfect for me. As far as I can tell, it's just more useable Master volume, more controllable reverb and a more reliable power tube. Valid and great updates but not game changers. The Master would be the only change that intrigues me but, like I said, I'd be afraid to mess up my sound. I like dialing in the power tube saturation just fine the way it is now and using attenuation to control volume rather than the Master. I'd have to know more about how it reacts with the tweaked circuit. As is, it's highly dependent on the PI tube, I found. I thought my 18NR had a lot less clean headroom than my MAZ 8. Then I read a PDF by Myles Rose about the PI tube overloading rather than the power tubes and figured that might be it: My 8 came with a Mullard re-issue 12AX7, my 18 came with the Sovtek 12AX7LPS. I pulled that and put in a NOS 12AT7. Now, I have to run the Cut a bit higher but it stays cleaner and saturates a lot more controlled and gradual. If the new Master volume remedies that dependence on the PI tube (I don't know enough about how exactly these circuits work but it sounds like it might), it's worth checking out! Controllable reverb isn't an issue for me (I barely use any) and the power tube tweak is pretty easy to perform yourself. I have a whole box of 6p14ps here and run them in both my MAZs exclusively. I guess what I'm saying is don't be gutted if you only bought your MAZ recently without these new bells and whistles, like me. We're just conditioned to be wanting the newest rev of everything because of computers and smart phones. Tube amps are a much slower evolving technology. Are you talking about changing the PI in the Maz 18? From reading this thread I have learned that a single ended amp does not have a PI tube, is this right? Also where can I get the 6n14n that the Doc puts in the new amps? I have a used maz 8 combo on the way.
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Post by dergit (Markus) on Jun 20, 2016 0:54:41 GMT -7
Yes, I am. Well, the tube is there, the MAZ 8 does have a V5 as does the 18... I guess it doesn't invert the phase then but only linearly drives the power tube? Maybe the Doc can clarify. That'd explain why mine didn't come with the Sovtek LPS but a Mullard re-issue (that has fairly long plates as well, however). The effect is the same, though: When I put the V5 tube from my MAZ into the same slot (V3 in my NR), it got a lot clearer and cleaner. The 12AT7 is my favourite with the 18NR so far because it stays cleaner and warms up a bit. The poweramp feels a little more like the 8's triode mode if that makes sense. NOS 6p14ps are fairly easy to find and afford on the interwebs. I'd name my source but it's in Germany so it probably doesn't help much. My MAZ 8 came with a 6p14p, by the way... I don't know if the Doc put that in there or if Ron of proguitar.de did, but it was in there. I thought all 8s came with those tubes until I read about this 2016 update.
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