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Post by ghostdriver on Mar 5, 2016 11:19:59 GMT -7
Around here I often hear the Remedy talked about as a "Marshall/ Plexi" sounding amp. I have to say that I don't hear it. Trust me I wan't to hear it because, I would like to replace my big heavy and sometimes not working well Marshall with a Remedy. What I really don't hear is that Marshall crunch and compression that is so much what I love about Marshall. I love everything Z so not trying to be a jerk here. I've listened to many sound clips but may have missed the one that I need to pull the trigger.
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Post by limenine on Mar 5, 2016 11:38:20 GMT -7
This guy has several vids of the remedy with different speakers using a good crunchy tone:
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Mar 5, 2016 11:45:01 GMT -7
Doc had the Plexi in mind when he created the Remedy. You just have to fiddle with it a bit to get that Plexi sound out of it,
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Post by heynewguy (Ol’ Bill) on Mar 5, 2016 12:25:22 GMT -7
I had one of the first version Remedy's. Paired it with a Z convertible cabinet with a Vintage 30 and a 335. Boy it was killer! "Wheels Of Fire" sounds. Just glorious! As always YMMV.
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Post by "Z" Steve on Mar 5, 2016 12:50:34 GMT -7
I have an original as well, unmodified, and it just smokes with my McCarty through my Z 1x12 with a Creamback.
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Post by John on Mar 5, 2016 13:01:11 GMT -7
Make sure you pair it with a closed back cabinet with greenbacks in it. Using anything else, gets you away from the signature tone. And that signature tone is made up of the amp AND the speakers/cabinet. There may be some slight difference between the el34 and the 6v6. Personally, I don't think the video the Doc has on the website does the Remedy justice. They do show off lot of different guitars and some different tones, but I think having two guitars at the same time makes it hard to hear the clarity of tone of either one. Most of the time, when people say the 'vintage marshall tone'...they mean a cranked amp, through a closed back cab with greenbacks and a humbucker equipped guitar on the bridge pickup. Change any of this and it's not what they want. I'll also muddy things up with this: If the vintage marshall tone you have in your head is based on recordings rather than playing one, then you introduce different recording microphones, and mic placement. And then there could be anything that gets changed in the control room: EQ, compression...etc. For 25 years, I had this: It's a 1971 100 watt Super Lead. Made just after the plexi amps that ended their run in 1969. Still point to point, (They went PCB in 1973) still el34, the cabinet has 1971 greenbacks. This thing was unusable for gigs, but when ever I got to crank it up in the basement....it was glorious...and I mean glorious tone. Loudest amp I've ever heard in my life. And I can tell you a Remedy with a closed back cab with greenbacks and a humbucker guitar on the bridge pickup....yes, it's the same tone. And the same compression and feel. And part of that is beating the crap out of greenbacks. They have smaller 35 oz magnets and when pushed hard, have trouble keeping up. And that 'trouble keeping up' is part of the tone too.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 5, 2016 20:20:21 GMT -7
Les Paul into Remedy into Alnico Gold: The Ocean(backing track from guitarbackingtrack.com)
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Post by purpletele on Mar 5, 2016 21:43:32 GMT -7
I'd say your real close!
Nice demo
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Post by ghostdriver on Mar 6, 2016 8:18:25 GMT -7
Thanks for the replies. All very helpful. I'm definitely guilty of forgetting to be sure all of the puzzle is there. I'm wondering if my Z Best cabinet isn't really perfect either since it has the forward open ports (not really a closed cabinet). Thanks again.
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Post by John on Mar 6, 2016 9:31:47 GMT -7
Thanks for the replies. All very helpful. I'm definitely guilty of forgetting to be sure all of the puzzle is there. I'm wondering if my Z Best cabinet isn't really perfect either since it has the forward open ports (not really a closed cabinet). Thanks again. I had a Z best and put greenback in it for use with my Remedy. There is a difference between a closed back and the ported Zbest. But the Zbest is MUCH closer than any open back. Having that closed/sealed back was most noticeable when it came to pick attack. The speaker can't move as freely. Sealed pressure behind the speaker keeps the cone from moving back into the cabinet (builds up pressure) and the cone can't move forward as much because of the vacuum that builds up behind the speaker. This all happens in the blink of an eye, but it's definitely a different tone. The louder the volume, the more this comes in to play. If you really, really really want that vintage tone...it's got to be closed back.
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Post by John on Mar 6, 2016 9:33:46 GMT -7
Les Paul into Remedy into Alnico Gold: The Ocean(backing track from guitarbackingtrack.com) Open or closed back? (MY guess would be open back)
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Mar 6, 2016 10:21:07 GMT -7
Not sure if I've posted this here before, but if we're really looking to figure out what "that" Plexi sound is/was, I think this video would pretty much settle it. Yeah, they varied a bit between the '60s/'70s, but your ear definitely gets the impression of "that" sound after hearing 15 of 'em in a row:
Now, I don't have my Remedy (Remedies, actually) anymore, but I kinda wish I still did--so that I could play this clip while sitting in front of a Remedy, and then crank out some jams on the Remedy to compare. But my memory seems to indicate that the Remedy is on the cleaner end of this scale (less fuzzy/hairy than, say, the 50-watters in the video), more like the JTM's.
I also wish we could see the amp settings in this video, because I'd guess they're all totally dimed. I'd only ever had my Remedy there for brief periods; and really, if "that" is the sound (amp cooking on 10), then maybe it's there but in all reality how often would we be able to access it?
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Mar 6, 2016 10:26:07 GMT -7
Les Paul into Remedy into Alnico Gold: The Ocean(backing track from guitarbackingtrack.com) Nice demo Steve! Pretty much nails the Led Zep sound.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Mar 6, 2016 10:45:22 GMT -7
Not sure if I've posted this here before, but if we're really looking to figure out what "that" Plexi sound is/was, I think this video would pretty much settle it. Yeah, they varied a bit between the '60s/'70s, but your ear definitely gets the impression of "that" sound after hearing 15 of 'em in a row: Now, I don't have my Remedy (Remed ies, actually) anymore, but I kinda wish I still did--so that I could play this clip while sitting in front of a Remedy, and then crank out some jams on the Remedy to compare. But my memory seems to indicate that the Remedy is on the cleaner end of this scale (less fuzzy/hairy than, say, the 50-watters in the video), more like the JTM's. I also wish we could see the amp settings in this video, because I'd guess they're all totally dimed. I'd only ever had my Remedy there for brief periods; and really, if "that" is the sound (amp cooking on 10), then maybe it's there but in all reality how often would we be able to access it? Great find here Mark! Certainly gets the juices flowing. Wonder how the Maz GT dimed would stack up against those Marshalls??
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Post by John on Mar 6, 2016 10:51:47 GMT -7
Thanks for posting that video Mark....I think I need a cigarette! I just love that old 4 input Marshall tone with humbuckers. (and probably 4x12 with greenbacks)
I noticed he's not jumping channels with any of those amps. He's only using the bright channel. For those who don't know: Most people plug into the top left input jack. (of the 4 available) But people would then use a short jumper cable plugged into the lower left, and the upper right jacks. This allowed you to use both the bright and dark channels of the amp. The Doc has combined this 'jumper' inside the amp. From the video, you can tell that most of the early models (JTM 45 and such) were not nearly as bright. Once you started getting around 1970...they got brighter, and that's when people started jumping the channels to use the dark channel too. One theory I heard back in the day was that in an effort to have a more powerful signal come from the guitar, folks in the late 60's started making 'high output' pickups. But one result of high output pickups...is less treble. So the urban legend goes, Marshall started making the amps brighter to counteract the high output pickups.
Since we're on the big Marshall kick on this thread, I'll repost my 'vintage' marshall setting for the Remedy.
Keep in mind, you still have to use a closed back cab with greenbacks. (I know, I sound like a broken record.)
Bright/treble volume: To taste...for me, somewhere round 2-3 o'clock Dark/bass volume: OFF!!!! Bass: somewhere around 9 Mid: Somewhere between noon and three Treble: Somewhere below noon. This is VERY important. Since the dark channel is off, the amp can have a tendency to be very bright, so it's important to have the treble below noon. Otherwise, it will be too bright.
Keeping the treble knob below noon, combined with the closed back cab, helps curb the brittle treble. Also, pounding greenbacks near their limit also helps to attenuate the brittle high end. What's left (or dominate) is that upper midrange punch that gives it that identifiable tone.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Mar 6, 2016 10:52:44 GMT -7
Forgot to mention, too--I really kinda think that my late-90s Prescription (non-Jr/ES) nails that 50-watt fuzzed-out Plexi crunchy-high-end thing better than I remember the Remedy nailing it. Lots of people have said that the original Rx was like a really good Plexi with some Vox thrown in there, too, and I strongly agree. It really gets that characteristic high-end tin-foil-crunch that you hear throughout this 15-amp compilation. And with "just" 4 lowly little EL84's inside there? Amazing.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 6, 2016 11:15:59 GMT -7
Les Paul into Remedy into Alnico Gold: The Ocean(backing track from guitarbackingtrack.com) Open or closed back? (MY guess would be open back) Yeah open. I always wanted to try 2x12 greenbacks closed, but I don't have one of those.
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Post by wubberdubber on Apr 13, 2016 13:23:41 GMT -7
I basically bought my Remedy (older, non-master) to replace the mid-70's Marshall 50W head I had and used for years...and foolishly traded off a couple of years before getting hip to the Z's. As mentioned, I agree that it's real close to the Marshall with the right speaker(s)/cab set-up. Not quite the same compression you'd get from the Marshall cranked up, 'cause the tubes are different, but I always ran mine fairly clean, around 2-3 without a jumper, so that wasn't really part of the sound I was getting. Tone-wise, I'd say it's in the Remedy to do Plexi, but more, since the Remedy tone controls have more range.
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Post by Faze on Apr 13, 2016 14:11:29 GMT -7
I had a couple Remedy's and regretfully sold them. I had both the non master volume version and the master volume version. I tried the Gold in a 1/12 cab and also a Creamback in a 1/12 cab and also the Z-Best with two greenbacks. These guys are all right on point. The two greenbacks in the z -best with a les paul was about as good as it gets. I ended up going with the 1/12 cab and the creamback and that really was my favorite mainly because I play strats. I could get great clean and overdriven tones with that set up. I also can honestly say that the remedy sounded better to me then the Marshalls I had. I had a 1997 50 watt Marshall head the 2061x and several others I just thought the remedy really had better clean headroom. I play mostly clean though I would get most my crunch from pedals. Its got its own thing going on and its a good thing.
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Post by randalp3000 on Apr 21, 2016 17:21:36 GMT -7
Finally had time to look at my schematics. The Remedy I used to have had a JTM45 (tweed baseman) preamp with a couple different resistor values in the phase inverter.
People need to remember there were quite a few plexi circuits. The 2 main ones being the JTM and the JMP(lead, super lead) Two very different sounding amps.
I can't quite make out the Marshall in your sig photo but it looks kinda like a JCM800.
If you want a really good sounding JTM45 the Remedy will get the job done very well. If you want a really good JCM800 then I would recommend the SRZ65.
hope this is helpfull rp
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Apr 21, 2016 17:33:03 GMT -7
The Antidote gets you to JTM 45 and JCM 800
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Post by ghostdriver on Oct 15, 2016 18:15:38 GMT -7
Haven't looked in on this thread in a while. I see lots more great info on the Remedy. Thanks again for the replies. The Marshall in my picture is a JCM2000 DSL 100. Definitely a nice sounding amp. I really want to slim down in both size and power. Thinking either the Remedy or Rt 66. Thanks again.
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Post by ME on Oct 16, 2016 17:23:54 GMT -7
I've had a Route 66 and now own a Remedy. I've had an Antidote as well. The Remedy is best with my Les Paul. I've also had a Mini Z, MAZ 8, and a MAZ 18. They all sound good, Lester, cable, and Remedy is the best I've had for classic/southern rock. Mine is new with master volume and adjustable boost. I use a BrakeLite into a closed cab loaded with a Creamback M. ME
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Post by abner on Nov 17, 2016 2:51:26 GMT -7
A friend lent me a Germino which was modified to be a JTM45. My Remedy sounds just like that, except it has a bit more treble. So, I guess the Remedy is more of a JTM45 than a Super Lead?
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Post by John on Nov 17, 2016 5:01:21 GMT -7
A friend lent me a Germino which was modified to be a JTM45. My Remedy sounds just like that, except it has a bit more treble. So, I guess the Remedy is more of a JTM45 than a Super Lead? Super leads have more treble than JTM45's. So that would put the Remedy in the Super Lead category.
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Post by abner on Nov 18, 2016 5:36:48 GMT -7
A friend lent me a Germino which was modified to be a JTM45. My Remedy sounds just like that, except it has a bit more treble. So, I guess the Remedy is more of a JTM45 than a Super Lead? Super leads have more treble than JTM45's. So that would put the Remedy in the Super Lead category. Great but, is that the only difference? I thought a SL would have more gain
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