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Post by hdahs143 on May 16, 2006 16:15:14 GMT -7
Does anyone have experience with both of these setups? I know plenty of y'all have the 2 blue setup and love it, as I did when I tried it in a combo, but I love the G12H30 as well for it's warm tight bottom ;D! Do you still get a good bottom end with 2 Blues?
The Z-Best has been sold, so I'll be ordering an open back 2X12 with one of these setups later this week, and wanted some opinions. I'm also planning on 2 8 ohms in series for 16 ohms. Any thoughts on that particular area of cork sniffing are welcome as well!
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Post by zane on May 16, 2006 17:58:02 GMT -7
Don't know yet... My brother is building me a 2x12...gonna put 2 "Blues" in it... Hoping it'll sound KILLER!
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Post by fishman on May 16, 2006 18:56:54 GMT -7
I have been playing around with putting the G12H30 from my MAZ in my 'Ray 2-12 combo, but, the da@n thing keeps sounding better and better....the low end is definatly there, but different... I like it alot....i think I will keep the original blues in for a few months, actually the end of june should do it as we have alot of work coming up....then I will make the switch and see how it sounds./...to be honest here, this is an area that I am trying to avoid, I used to be chasing "the sound" like a hound on a rabbit...as a result I sent more time trying to make the equiptment conform to me rather than me to the equiptment....I guess you could say I was doing the same things over and over and expecting different results....musically insane..the totally tonal defense....anyway I was swapping and tweaking like mad and not really taking the time to really get into what was in front of me and me as well...so this is an area that holds alot of allure for me, but HA! I have regained control....I am in the drivers seat now!!....hey, where is that article on that new, highend, boutique, special , holy-er grail of a distortion/overdrive/grit/dirt/grind pedal that uses the scrotum hairs from an albino pocket gopher to smooth out the grainy-ness!!! I NEED THAT....good luck with the speakers......
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Post by bukowski on May 17, 2006 6:34:51 GMT -7
I have been playing around with putting the G12H30 from my MAZ in my 'Ray 2-12 combo, but, the da@n thing keeps sounding better and better....the low end is definatly there, but different... I like it alot....i think I will keep the original blues in for a few months, actually the end of june should do it as we have alot of work coming up....then I will make the switch and see how it sounds./...to be honest here, this is an area that I am trying to avoid, I used to be chasing "the sound" like a hound on a rabbit...as a result I sent more time trying to make the equiptment conform to me rather than me to the equiptment....I guess you could say I was doing the same things over and over and expecting different results....musically insane..the totally tonal defense....anyway I was swapping and tweaking like mad and not really taking the time to really get into what was in front of me and me as well...so this is an area that holds alot of allure for me, but HA! I have regained control....I am in the drivers seat now!!....hey, where is that article on that new, highend, boutique, special , holy-er grail of a distortion/overdrive/grit/dirt/grind pedal that uses the scrotum hairs from an albino pocket gopher to smooth out the grainy-ness!!! I NEED THAT....good luck with the speakers...... OH MY THAT was funny because I thought you were talking about me there for a minute
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Post by jb on May 17, 2006 7:40:56 GMT -7
I use the blue and g12h30 with my 66 and it sounds great. The two speakers seem to compliment each other very well.
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Post by guitarman1 on May 17, 2006 12:41:12 GMT -7
I use the blue and g12h30 with my 66 and it sounds great. The two speakers seem to compliment each other very well. Since the Blue is a more efficient speaker, does it dominate the G12H ?
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Post by jb on May 17, 2006 14:49:33 GMT -7
The blue does dominate a little bit especially since I have two 1X12 cabs and I put the blue on top. Perhaps I should switch them just to see if it makes a difference. I guess like the blue closer to my ears.
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Post by fishman on May 31, 2006 18:21:39 GMT -7
As time goes on, I believe I will leave the StingRay as recieved ... 2-12Blues....I will try a new EF86 Amperex Bugle Boy and see how that sounds, but to be honest...I don;t know how I could make it sound better than it does...(my playing ability NOT factored in!...LOL)
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Post by hdahs143 on Jun 1, 2006 5:38:31 GMT -7
I got a cab with 2 Blues in it about a week ago, and have gigged with it once and used it in church once. The gig was outdoors at night, with dirt and dew in abundance. They sounded great at times, but at other times under heavier loads(i.e. more dirt pedals) they sounded like they were farting out. Volume was about 12 o'clock. In church however was a different story. Mic'd about 2" in from the cone edge, and about 2" off the grill cloth, through in ear monitors (1 in, 1 out), they sounded absolutely stunning. Best overdrive sound I've ever had. Very sweet, yet complex mids and highs.
I Just dont know that the Blue was designed to handle the bottom end as well as it does the mids and highs. But I'm gonna let 'em break in some more and go from there. If I'm still missing some warm, round bottom ;D, then I'll pull one of the Blues and put in a G12H30 (love that speaker), or possibly a Tonker. I'm kinda intrigued by that speaker although I haven't heard one. Guitarman1 has that setup and so far seems to like it. I am interested to hear what the Blues will sound like after they're fully broken in, and the "shift' occurs.
Harold
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Post by fishman on Jun 1, 2006 17:43:54 GMT -7
I have a tonker in my maz38 and its HUGE...I can;t imagine what two of them would sound like!... the tonker is a great sounding speaker for the money and even for more money.....I liked the celestion, but I have never been a dyed in the wool celestion fan...I am now thought with the blues....they shift like I have never heard before,...and in a great way.. If I have any complaints of the blues its that they are deceptive....they have this ability to sound like they are not loud when they are loud....with the Tonker , loud is louder....I am not comparing the two as they are totally different.. If I have a complaint of the Tonker, its that it sometimes is too big sounding....as Parr used to say, I kid you not....in my 1-12 MAZ38 I would put it up against most 4-12's....and I have...I used my peavey stereo 4-12 w/ sheffields and then the Tonker...Tonker sounded BIGGER and sweeter.....a real good value...and I am biased to Eminence....I have always liked their speakers....for 50.00 new, you really can;t go to far wrong IMO
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Post by hdahs143 on Jun 10, 2006 14:37:38 GMT -7
Well, the final answer for me is: 1 G12H30 & 1 Blue. The 2 blues were cool, but to me sounded like they needed a little help filling out the bottom. Dave at Avatar made me a ridiculous deal on a G12H30, so I ordered one an installed it, cab wired in series for a 16 ohm load. This is the cat's meow for me. I didn't loose any chime, I just got that warm tight bottom that was missing. Each speaker just seems to perfectly make up for the others weaknesses without one dominating the other. And the setup seems a bit louder at the same volume setting than with the 2 Blues. I can really cover the bases with the Stingray head and this cab. From spanking country chicken picken, to heavenly dirt sounds via the Keeley's, this is the best tone I've ever had, and as Carlos Santana said, "Tone, to a musician, is first and foremost." I'm very happy! Harold
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Post by fishman on Jun 10, 2006 17:57:31 GMT -7
Rats....I have a G12H30 doing nothing at the moment, I think I will toss it in the Ray and see what it does....
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Post by fishman on Jun 10, 2006 18:13:58 GMT -7
done...reads 3.3-3.5 ohms so it should be alright in the 4ohm imput lets see how it sounds ...that will be the real test...
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Post by fishman on Jun 12, 2006 7:40:54 GMT -7
what is the take on using 2 speakers of such different power ratings?
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Post by hipfan on Jun 12, 2006 12:15:19 GMT -7
what is the take on using 2 speakers of such different power ratings? No problem. Power ratings don't necessarily directly correlate with any characteristics of the speaker except, well, how much power they can take. For instance, some low power rating speakers can stay fairly clean right up to their breaking point, while some high power rating speakers begin to break up at low volumes and continue to do so as the volume is increased towards their maximum rating. The only caveat is that the power rating of your cab is only as high as the power rating of the lowest speaker, multiplied by the number of speakers. Here, if you have one Blue and one G12H30 in a 2x12 cab, you have a 30 watt cab (two times the power rating of the Blue).
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Post by cbstrat on Jun 12, 2006 12:26:59 GMT -7
If I'm not mistaken,I think this is the same combination that Tone Tubby refers to as "The Bomb". one Alnico and one ceramic. One picks up where the other leaves off.
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Post by hdahs143 on Aug 8, 2006 18:39:45 GMT -7
Well, the final answer for me is: 1 G12H30 & 1 Blue. The 2 blues were cool, but to me sounded like they needed a little help filling out the bottom. Dave at Avatar made me a ridiculous deal on a G12H30, so I ordered one an installed it, cab wired in series for a 16 ohm load. Well as it turns out, that wasn't the final answer. One night I was doing a soundcheck out front, and got to hear the Alnico Blue at ear level and didn't like what I heard. Especially with dirt pedals, to me the high end was fairly edgy and not in a pleasant way. The G12H30 sounded fine. So following curiosity and Jason Gleaton's advice, I ordered a Weber Alnico Blue Dog, 30 watt, light dope. I like this speaker better. The high end chime is still there, but in a pleasing way. And the Blue Dog has more punch and "girth" to it. It's not fragile sounding like the Celestion Blue. Maybe it's the higher power rating, I don't know. I just know to my ear, I like this speaker better. I guess we all have different tastes, or levels of hearing loss ;D. The Celestion Blues are very cool and complex, but if you find that the high end is a little too glassy, or you're looking for a stronger, smoother version, I highly recommend the Weber Alnico Blue Dog. Fantastic speaker. I've already sold both the Celestions on Ebay. They do hold their value well . I may put the funds towards another 2x12 cab. Thanks again Jason Harold
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Aug 8, 2006 22:27:20 GMT -7
+1 probably My favorite speaker Harold... two 30 watt alnico blues are very good alternatives to the Celestions if like harold said it's a little too glassy and harsh for ya... the webers are real close to the blues too, still have good chime... but a little fatter, rounder and little less in the highs/ harsh than the celestions... I now also have a cab loaded with the celestion blues for one of my Stingrays to get THAT sound, but over all I prefer the Weber's... and now have a 2nd openback Z 2x12 loaded with the 2 bluedogs to use not only with the other Stingray but can also use it with my Maz 38 SR and RX's... for the similar sound without having to worry about blown speakers.... I you liked the bluedog, you'll probably like the Silverbell too for what it does... I love the bluedog/ silverbell combo in 50 watt alnico for a bigger sound with more headroom. Jason
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Post by Bill on Aug 9, 2006 12:57:53 GMT -7
Well as it turns out, that wasn't the final answer.
Never say final when speaking of speakers, Harold! ;D
Yes, the alnico Weber blue dogs ARE great sounding speakers. They've kept my interest for almost 2 years now!
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Post by Curt on Aug 9, 2006 13:43:48 GMT -7
+1 Luv the 30 watt alnico blue dawgs !!
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