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Post by brando on Feb 15, 2006 7:39:15 GMT -7
Thanks to Madison, I can show you my Stingray that I picked up the other day. I know this is painful for those of you who are on the waiting list for this amp, but I own a '62 AC30 pre-top boost and I can honestly tell you that the Stingray stacks up to it. I never thought I would say this, but in some ways, I like the Stingray even better. Side note, I'm playing it through a Tele/Rangemaster/Hotcake combination. I just about wetted my pants. -Brando
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Feb 15, 2006 7:53:10 GMT -7
No pic?
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Post by Bill on Feb 15, 2006 7:55:53 GMT -7
Thanks to Madison, I can show you my Stingray that I picked up the other day. I know this is painful for those of you who are on the waiting list for this amp, but I own a '62 AC30 pre-top boost and I can honestly tell you that the Stingray stacks up to it. I never thought I would say this, but in some ways, I like the Stingray even better. Side note, I'm playing it through a Tele/Rangemaster/Hotcake combination. I just about wetted my pants. -Brando Fine looking amp, Brando!
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Post by brando on Feb 15, 2006 7:58:59 GMT -7
Thanks for posting my pic, Madison. -Computer moron
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Feb 15, 2006 8:02:34 GMT -7
Brando, I'm right there with ya. I've had my Stingray for a couple of weeks and I've still got the "about to wet my pants" feeling. Every time I go to plug in a little doubt comes into my mind, like, "I was dreaming. The honeymoon's worn off right? No amp's *that* good, right?" Then I plug in and hit the standby and a big smile comes across my face. It *is* that good...
PDW
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Post by brando on Feb 15, 2006 8:14:30 GMT -7
PDW, "Z" could easily charge way more for this amp. I'm just thankful he makes it affordable for the common man. I also agree with you from a previous thread, Celestion Blues are the way to go. When I originally tested it out, I A/B'd between Greenbacks and Bues and it was instantly noticeable. The Blues just 'smoothed' out the top end and reminded me of a Vox. -Brando
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Post by Bill on Feb 15, 2006 10:01:36 GMT -7
A couple more from Brando's rig:
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Post by fireball on Feb 15, 2006 13:59:35 GMT -7
brando...
Nice looking rig!
I'm curious....how many ohms is your cabinet? I'm wondering if Z is running the Celestion Blues with the Stingray at 16 ohms like the old AC30's do?
I know on that picture of the back of the 2x12 combo that is pictured on Fat Sounds website has the Blues running at 16 ohms....and I've never seen a Z 2x12 wired that way before(??).... so I'm wondering if it's intentional to try and get somewhat closer to an old AC30 vibe?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2006 14:04:35 GMT -7
That has got to be the prettiest Stingray I have seen yet. Great colour combination. I am sure it smokes in the sound department.
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Post by brando on Feb 15, 2006 14:28:49 GMT -7
brando... Nice looking rig! I'm curious....how many ohms is your cabinet? I'm wondering if Z is running the Celestion Blues with the Stingray at 16 ohms like the old AC30's do? I know on that picture of the back of the 2x12 combo that is pictured on Fat Sounds website has the Blues running at 16 ohms....and I've never seen a Z 2x12 wired that way before(??).... so I'm wondering if it's intentional to try and get somewhat closer to an old AC30 vibe? It's 4 ohms. I was surprised it wasn't 8 ohms, but I figure Z knows better than I do. If anybody can tell me why, I would be curious too.
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 15, 2006 14:54:08 GMT -7
One time for an experiment I rewired my Bluesbreaker reissue to 4 ohms instead of 16. It seemed like it had less highs and more lows, which isn't a bad thing on that amp. Maybe that's it?
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Post by Bill on Feb 15, 2006 18:25:32 GMT -7
My Z 2x12 is wired series for 16 ohms. I told doc to make it like BP's... same speakers and all, and he said Brad likes 'em wired in series like the old Vox's. Easy enough to switch the wires to parallel or vice versa if so desired.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Feb 15, 2006 19:31:24 GMT -7
D'OH! That is a mighty fine looking piece of kit there! Shoot, I think I need that.
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Post by evildoc on Feb 16, 2006 7:48:40 GMT -7
It's 4 ohms. I was surprised it wasn't 8 ohms, but I figure Z knows better than I do. If anybody can tell me why, I would be curious too. That's certainly a question for the Doc...but standard convention is that running the amp at 4 ohms will be louder than 8 ohms and 4 or 8 will be louder than 16 ohms.
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Post by Lefty on Feb 16, 2006 7:51:42 GMT -7
Is that heat shrink tubing on the EF86? Man, that is cool, I can almost smell the tubes!!!
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Post by evildoc on Feb 16, 2006 8:29:46 GMT -7
Stupid question....Why doesn't the ef86 have a tube shield on it? Is the ef86 bigger tube than the 12ax7?
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 16, 2006 9:07:10 GMT -7
evildoc: A tube amp doesn't put out more power at lower impedances because of the output transformer. A common misconception. You're thinking solid state. A tube amp is most efficient at it's highest ohm output tap because the whole tranformer is being used. Lower impedances have the same power but may not have sound since they are only using parts of the windings, hence the word taps.
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Post by evildoc on Feb 16, 2006 9:34:53 GMT -7
billyguitar...power was probably the wrong word to use...but I was under the impression that at a lower speaker impedence (resistance) the amp can operate more efficiently...hense, slightly more power. However, if this is a rule of thumb with SS amps, then I stand humbly corrected...
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 16, 2006 9:47:00 GMT -7
Ain't no thang, brother. Like I said, it's a common misconception. It is true with solid state amps. They don't have an output transformer. That's one reason why they are cheaper to build.
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Post by Beckanon on Feb 16, 2006 10:55:16 GMT -7
Saw this pic on the Wilcutt Guitars website:
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Post by Lefty on Feb 16, 2006 10:58:09 GMT -7
....SH!T. That's puuuuuuurrty!
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Post by fireball on Feb 16, 2006 13:35:16 GMT -7
brando... Nice looking rig! I'm curious....how many ohms is your cabinet? I'm wondering if Z is running the Celestion Blues with the Stingray at 16 ohms like the old AC30's do? I know on that picture of the back of the 2x12 combo that is pictured on Fat Sounds website has the Blues running at 16 ohms....and I've never seen a Z 2x12 wired that way before(??).... so I'm wondering if it's intentional to try and get somewhat closer to an old AC30 vibe? It's 4 ohms. I was surprised it wasn't 8 ohms, but I figure Z knows better than I do. If anybody can tell me why, I would be curious too. Well....if your speakers are 8 ohms each (which they most likely are) you have two options on how to wire them: In series > which would yield a 16 ohm total load....or parallel > which yields a 4 ohm total load. In order to obtain an 8 ohm total load your speakers would have to be 16 ohms each (which obviously they are not) wired in parallel. My guess is that the majority of the Celestion speakers that the Doc orders are 8 ohms each....which makes sense to use in a single speaker 1x12 combo. When used in a 2x12 configuration, Dr. Z obviously prefers (for some reason unknown by me) to wire the speakers in parallel instead of series....thus the reason that most of his 2x12 combos are running at 4 ohms. I'm not technical with this stuff but perhaps running the Blues at 4 ohms instead of 16 ohms protects them a bit better with less chance of blowing ( ) Now what I'm wondering is if any of that old AC30 vibe....which the Stingray is obviously targeted at.....is due to having the speakers wired in series for a 16 ohm load? Brad Paisley has his wired that way....so he obviously hears something different that he prefers?? I don't know.....perhaps all this is a bit too "cork sniffing" to even worry about?
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Post by combo800 on Mar 20, 2006 21:59:49 GMT -7
Regarding wiring speakers "in series" vs. "in parallel" ... I pinched this from the WeberVST site: --------------------------------------------------------------- Q. I have two 8 Ohm speakers that I can wire either parallel or series to my tube amp for an impedance of either 4 or 16 Ohm. My amp has both 4 and 16 Ohm output taps. Are there any sonic differences or benefits of series over parallel wiring or vice versa? A. Gerald, connecting two speakers in parallel is an old trick to smooth out speaker response and enhance the damping of either speaker. HIFI designers took it one step further by connecting two speakers of different sizes in parallel. A speaker has a large impedance increase at its fundamental resonance, and depending on the installation, this can cause the speaker to sound boomy or out of control. By connecting two speakers in parallel, particularly two speakers of different sizes with different resonant frequencies, each speaker will tend to quench or dampen the boominess of the other. Since no two speakers are exactly alike, even two of the same size, that damping will occur, however slight, for any speakers connected in parallel. For speakers connected in series, there appears to be less control, and more of what is called 'back EMF' from the speakers fed back into the output circuit. While that seems rather chaotic, many players prefer the series connection, as it gives them a more textured tone, enhanced breakup, and overall a more desireable tone for guitar work. It's totally subjective, of course, and many factors affect the end result, such as voice coil size, gap energy, closed back/open back, output circuit damping, etc. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is try both arrangements since you have the luxury of impedance tap selection, and go with the configuration you like the best. ---------------------------------------------------------- Source: www.webervst.com/sptalk.html
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Mar 21, 2006 0:03:19 GMT -7
Saw this pic on the Wilcutt Guitars website: That amp was bought by my fellow guitar player.. it is pretty and matches my head/ cab ( as noticed along with avatar to right.. neat huh!)... I'll try and get a picture of both together soon as I can... should've got ( and might have gotten) a picture of them on stage from last sat night...?? Jason
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Post by prowler on Mar 23, 2006 6:45:50 GMT -7
All these Stingray pics has made me REALLY want a one of these amps.
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Post by fishman on Mar 30, 2006 18:07:52 GMT -7
RATS! I knew I should never have started looking at the 'Ray....I just got a MAZ Sr. and if it is the meat and potatoes then the Ray is looking like the icing on the cake...I don;t need this amp...but I want this amp....I am thinking that between the MAZ and the Ray there would be some downright magical tones to be heard.... I hate to say it but some of the old Fenders are gonna be leavin home....I will keep a couple but some must go....I have played it over and over in my head and just can;t justify keeping them.....with the Z's they simply will just sit.....I have a couple of fav/s and I will keep them, as they are the Fender sound.. To make matters worse, I just got a call from a dealer who has a brand new Ray in stock right now....I can own it if I choose....RATS and I thought I had some time to muster up the $$....guess not, and this one is the 2-12 combo/blues/2tone....and its a Stingray, not changed name yet.....brand new, the Zstork just dropped it off.....RATS.......just when I thought I was out, I am back in!......in spades..... Dr. Z is either a Saint, or a Devil and I have not figured out which!...HA! What ever, and I mean that in a positve way, he makes his amps too da&m good......you just can;t stop at one.......
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Post by sonicbluepaisley on Mar 30, 2006 21:26:39 GMT -7
Hey Brando, I used your Stingray on my Desktop Wallpaper. I really liked the look of your stingray, looks very awesome. When I get a Stangray those are the colors I want. Hope you don't mind...
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