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Post by DRZ on Feb 10, 2006 4:49:25 GMT -7
Well guy's I recieved a call from the legal dept of Musicman Corp. with a cease order on using one of there core products names , StingRay .
Not much I can do they have the name registered, so a change of names is coming.
This happened yesterday so I haven't picked a new name yet. And the few amps in various stages of production will be finished and delivered with no new ones started.
DR.Z
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Post by Jim Fairbairn on Feb 10, 2006 5:01:38 GMT -7
I'm sorry to hear that. Regardless of name, I'll be ending up with one.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Feb 10, 2006 5:20:50 GMT -7
Noooooo, thats to bad that was a cool name/ logo...
wonder if you could sty with the Corvette theme, if Corvette or 'Vette is taken? or just the 'Ray.... Z-ray.....
ohhh.....doc could turn the s backwards and make it the ... "Ztingray" still in cursive writing just like the original logo??? ;D
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Post by Bill on Feb 10, 2006 5:51:33 GMT -7
That's too bad, shades of "Nocaster" here. I guess the few StingRays out in the stores will become collectible?
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 10, 2006 6:31:47 GMT -7
In the thread about suggested names I said this could be a probelm. DARN IT! I'm sorry I was right. I was hoping being in totally different realms that you might slide under the radar. Some numbers are even off limits, like Porsche's 911. Actually they originally were going to call it the 901 and Puegeot made them change it. How about calling the Stingray the Brad or the Paisley?
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Post by prowler on Feb 10, 2006 6:43:40 GMT -7
Awe man, I really liked the name Stingray.
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Post by raja on Feb 10, 2006 7:36:11 GMT -7
What about the "Spitfire"? That would cover cars and planes.
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Post by raja on Feb 10, 2006 7:40:11 GMT -7
Never Mind!!! It's already taken by Alesis.
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 10, 2006 9:03:13 GMT -7
Picking an amp name is just as hard as a band name, actually worse. If you google a band name to see if there are any hits you might find one that's 1,000 miles away and you could say let's take it anyway. You can't really do that with a product that's sold internationally. I like Zingray as mentioned above. That's pretty cool and not likely taken or copyrighted yet. I wonder how G & L got away with it? Must've been long enough ago that GM didn't have anything on it yet. I bet they do now. I've heard of internet a-holes registering anything and eveything thay can think of so that if you want to have a website name you have to buy it from them. I don't know if that's true or not. Maybe it's like you have to do for a business, run a fictitious name search just to be sure the name is available before you register with the government.
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Post by rcrecelius on Feb 10, 2006 9:42:19 GMT -7
Dang, that stinks! Hey, since this amp was designed with a British amp in mind(AC30...at least I think its British), are there any cool British car names he could use?
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Post by JChance on Feb 10, 2006 10:09:17 GMT -7
How 'bout just keep it simple and call it the Z-Ray? You have the Z-best cab, so it would fit the product line theme and be close enough in name to the original runs of Stingrays not to be confusing.
JC
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Post by propellr on Feb 10, 2006 10:36:13 GMT -7
Dang, that stinks! Hey, since this amp was designed with a British amp in mind(AC30...at least I think its British), are there any cool British car names he could use? Maybe so, but the only cars I could think of wouldn't do the new Z justice. MG? Bentley? Vauxhall? (Gag!) As far as the copyright on the name StingRay is concerned, the name of something works in conjunction with what business you're in. Z's recent woes stem from the fact that the name is registered with a music company. So, it's name and association that contribute the problem. The lack of competition between bands and oil companies may be how the band Wilco doesn't violate the copyright of the former A.T. Williams Oil Company, because the band isn't in the fuel business. Anyway, the band may get their name from Wilco, Texas. On the other hand, there was a band called Green Jello back in the 90's that had to change it's name because of the association with the dessert company. My guess is that Kraft, Jell-O's parent company, probably knows the laws better than I do.
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Post by kruzty on Feb 10, 2006 10:45:31 GMT -7
I'm sure no one cares, but technically it is a trademark issue, not a copyright issue. Names can't be copyrighted.
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 10, 2006 10:51:19 GMT -7
Thanks for the trademark info. I am pretty ignorant about legal things. Right idea, wrong words (typical for me!). There used to be an all woman band in Kansas City (they were so bad it was cute!) by the name of The Rubber Maids. They got a letter from Rubber Maid to cease and desist. They were quitting anyway so they didn't push it.
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Post by propellr on Feb 10, 2006 11:01:45 GMT -7
I'm sure no one cares, but technically it is a trademark issue, not a copyright issue. Names can't be copyrighted. You're right, kruzty. D'oh. Thanks for batting clean-up.
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Post by Bill on Feb 10, 2006 11:29:39 GMT -7
Well, because they could now become rare, I got my butt moving over to RMC at lunch to test 'er out. Plugged a CS Tele in, Very NICE amp...I A/B'd it to a Maz Sr & Jr and liked the StingRay over them, just a fatter/thicker tone in general. BUT, I didn't like it better than my RxES. I think I've just become accustomed to 45w of Z power, plus the overdose footswich is the real deal.
Haven't ruled the SR out, will have to give some serious thought...
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Post by zdogma on Feb 10, 2006 12:16:16 GMT -7
Coolest british car with a z in the name is probably the aston martin DB4 zagato (Z GATO?), but that kind of sucks as a name.... zagato link. Check out the cool z logo on the front fender.
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Post by propellr on Feb 10, 2006 12:34:48 GMT -7
Coolest british car with a z in the name is probably the aston martin DB4 zagato (Z GATO?), but that kind of sucks as a name.... zagato link. Check out the cool z logo on the front fender. That's a cool looking little car, zdog, but you're right, the name leaves a lot to be desired. And "gato" is Spanish for "cat". I can just hear it now: "Domo-arigato-mister- zagato-DOMO"
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Post by myles on Feb 10, 2006 13:08:48 GMT -7
Never Mind!!! It's already taken by Alesis. Actually .... Matchless also has a Spitfire but my racing sailboat in the mid eighties was Spitfire .... USYRU 77679 if I recall correctly ... had the highest "trophy to race entered ratio" of anybody on the West Coast. Even had the WWII British fighter emblem on each side of the hull ... red boat, a Moore 24. But in any case, I would not want the Z amp confused with the Matchless Spitfire.
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Post by guitarman1 on Feb 10, 2006 13:32:05 GMT -7
How about "AZ30"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2006 14:23:08 GMT -7
I used to want to be a Marine Biologist when I was a kid. So...what about naming the amp after one of the various stingray species. A few good ones would be: MantaRay DevilRay Though they do sound kind of lame. What about Barracuda, both a great muscle car and a fearsome fish. I kind of like that AZ-30 name. What about a Z-30 a step from the Z-28. It's too bad, I just put in an order for the Stingray.
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Post by Beckanon on Feb 10, 2006 14:26:58 GMT -7
I like AZ30 too. Harkens the AC30, plus it sounds very Dr.Z to me. I can see similarities to MAZ and Z-28 too.
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Post by guitarman1 on Feb 10, 2006 14:29:56 GMT -7
I think Mike should have a naming contest and give the winner a new Stingray (or whatever it will be called).
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Feb 10, 2006 14:53:34 GMT -7
Madison, That really surprises me that you test drove the Stingray and still prefer the RxES. I guess some amps just resonate more with some people, if you know what I mean. Since I got mine, I would have bet money that anyone who plugged into one would not be able to leave the store without it. Was the one you played a combo or a head? If it was a head, did you play it through an open back Blue equipped cab? As far as the RxES goes, I'll shamefully admit that I've never played one. The closest Z dealer is a few hours away for me, and they've never had one in stock when I've been there. However, I've been extremely curious about the amp based on the specs. I've been told by a multiple (I think he has 'em all) Z owner who's opinion I trust that he thinks the RxES is not a strat amp, but is killer humbucker amp or hot tele bridge PU amp. Since I play Strats with low output Fralins, that makes me think that I might not like the RxES. What's your take?
PDW
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 10, 2006 15:13:56 GMT -7
I think the RXES can do any kind of music. The X-ray may be a more style specific amp.
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Post by DRZ on Feb 10, 2006 15:44:59 GMT -7
You know I do like the name AZ-30 I was think about some name that conjures up thoughts of early Beatles and VOX AC-30's , Liverpool would have been great but my good friend Kenny has that already, no other UK city rolls of the tongue as nice. Brad is working on a new name , and I do like the look of the front panel with a nice cursive written name on it. DR.Z
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Post by myles on Feb 10, 2006 15:55:48 GMT -7
Doc,
You know me pretty well and those that know me well are aware that I use my own type of logic when looking at problems like this.
Lets look at some facts....
1. Yes, as you said to me, the Stingray is a fish.
2. It is also a car, and a Chevrolet to boot.
3. Brad says .... "just got the keys to my brand new Chevrolet" .... Mud on the Tires.
Therefore ... with my convoluted logic ....
Have Brad talk to Chevy .... Have Chevy bring about suit on Music Man .... have Chevy then give Brad the OK to use the Stingray name on "his" amp?
Or .... we can use technology to start a BLOG and boycott Music Man?
Really .... this is just silly. They make a fine bass and you make a fine amp. The two products do not compete.
That old Fender / Gretsch nonsence from decades ago would be thrown out of court today but only after both lawyers made enough to buy a dealer load of Stingrays!
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Post by Bill on Feb 10, 2006 16:01:47 GMT -7
Madison, That really surprises me that you test drove the Stingray and still prefer the RxES. I guess some amps just resonate more with some people, if you know what I mean. Since I got mine, I would have bet money that anyone who plugged into one would not be able to leave the store without it. Was the one you played a combo or a head? If it was a head, did you play it through an open back Blue equipped cab? As far as the RxES goes, I'll shamefully admit that I've never played one. The closest Z dealer is a few hours away for me, and they've never had one in stock when I've been there. However, I've been extremely curious about the amp based on the specs. I've been told by a multiple (I think he has 'em all) Z owner who's opinion I trust that he thinks the RxES is not a strat amp, but is killer humbucker amp or hot tele bridge PU amp. Since I play Strats with low output Fralins, that makes me think that I might not like the RxES. What's your take? PDW pdw, great SR review btw! In all fairness I was a bit rushed (lunch break), and most importantly we plugged into a G12H-30...not my favorite speaker. If more time had been available I'd have used a Vox's 2 blues. The RxES most definitely rocks with single coils, in fact I don't own a guitar with 'buckers. It has the fullness and girth of the SR, along with the added overdose...which to me is a totally transparent RC Booster with a bit more gain. At this point I don't know if I can justify owning both...I'm in a very happy place with the RxES/ Weber Bluedog camp, and the SR could serve to add confusion et al, what to bring what to bring...if you get my drift. It still could happen, just need more time...really need to bring it home and spend some time with my cabs, guitars, and pedals to see for sure. Problem is there are several other guys looking at it as we speak, will most likely be gone by the weekend. Uggggg!
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Post by myles on Feb 10, 2006 16:04:54 GMT -7
On second thought ... who cares about "Stingray" anyway? The amp has a British flair. It needs a British sort of twist ....
Some refined and fun and responsive .... Lotus had the "Super 7" .... The Lotus Europa was a blast to drive too.
MGs were too unreliable (I had one ... trust me ... and tried to keep those MGs of friends running)
Then there is the motorcycle thing like Matchless .... The 750 Commando by Norton was a fun bike.
Lots of ideas.
As a cool side note the mailman just knocked on the door to have me sign for a package ... it is my second Zendrive. Pedal board re-config this weekend I suppose.
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Post by kccheers on Feb 10, 2006 16:18:54 GMT -7
a second Zendrive AND a new babe on the avatar......
Myles gets another Karma point!
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