I've owned a z28 2x10 since 2007. I play a lot roots/rock-a-billy/blues styled music and while I love a lot of what the z28 has on tap, I want to coax a more vintage Fender tone from this amp. With due respect to all proponents of the 3-3-3 setting, I lean towards having the volume dimed, a click or two on the Brakelite, the treble and bass rolled well back before noon, more like 9 o'clock. But I find the sound Dr Z a little hard hitting. I realize the Dr Z circuit has a lot to do with this, but I'm wondering if a speaker swap, a pair of lower wattage celestian 10'" greenbacks for example, would soften the attack a bit, make the attack a little more 'forgiving'?
I realize there's a ton of speaker dialogue on this site, but not from folks seeking the same tone territory as me. Thanks in advance for your time and insight.
Post by Christopher on Jan 29, 2015 10:03:13 GMT -7
A pair of greens would probably be stellar. Or a green and some alnico style if you want the max flavor mix. if you want to be more F style I'd go w a pair of jensens. The lower wattage (15-25w) ceramics im a pair would be less efficient and more in the old school tone department. Lots of options. The thing w running the V dimed is you inhibit the character the tone knobs impart bc they are under noon. At noon on the V you can get ample volume without choking it down using a BL. Just my two cents. There's a lot of tonal difference and breakup w the T and B past noon. I don't roll 3-3-3 style w my '28 but can get a great classic guitar tone w the V at noon B between 11-1 & T @ 1-2. That also leaves plenty in the tank if I need to be louder.
Z28 with 10" Greenback is a very awesome sound. I fell in love with a little surf green 1x10 combo with a Greenback it at Zfest a few years ago.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Jan 30, 2015 7:03:00 GMT -7
Been a long-time fan of the Z 10s ... especially with my Z-28 (and on occasion with Galaxie, Ghia, Monza, Remedy and RT 66).... and have kept my Z210 cabinet stock since I first got it several years ago (2006 iirc)
If, and I must say that it would be an extremely big if, I were to change the speakers in my cabinet I would probably look at: a pair of Greenbacks or a pair of 'Blues or a pair of Jensens
In my humble opinion, depending on how you dial-in your Z-28 ... combined with guitar/pickups ..... and any effects...... you should be able to get more of those low-gain, old-school, F-style sweet spots for rock-a-billy-blues-appaloosa-rootsy-goodness-coolness
That said, as of yet, I have not had the opportunity to try any of them Weber speakers .... or the 'Golds ..... or a whole host of others ......
But, as I have stated often in the past .... the Z-28 works well with some many different speakers, guitars and effects .... and really seems to excel and accelerate when using multiple speakers (and cabs).
And, as per the above, I still roll with a Z-210andZ-112 loaded with the stock Z 10s and stock V30 to share the sonic sensations of the Z-28.
Using a Fender STratocaster or PRS SC-245 .... and the occasional Flying Dragon and Draconis ..... and a Danelectro delay ...... the fun never stops
Cheers always, eh
p.s. never mind the fun you can have with a 410 and Z-best underneath yer Z-28 .... rockin' good time!
Last Edit: Jan 30, 2015 7:09:49 GMT -7 by Joey Beverages: Been a while since I've shared my love of the Z-28 and its sonic sensations .... yup!
Guitars: Axis Super Sport, Stratocaster, LP Special * Z-Drive * Ampz: Z-28, ZWJ (in transit) ... and Cabz: 112 cab, 210 cab
For those of you who have gone the greenback route, would you say this brings out more of a 'rootsy' sound in the Z28 or more aggressive, harder, blues rock kind of tone (or neither). I do like the headroom of the z28, which i know may sound like a contradiction to my original query. and I am aware that a pair of lower wattage greenbacks will bring on the breakup a little (possibly a lot) sooner. I am just wondering what sort of breakup it is?
I put a Celestian vintage 10 in a 1970 princeton reverb, turning what was a reliable low watt practice amp into a gig worthy, jaw dropping, tone monster. The character of the amp remained in tact, just more of it. But I wouldn't put the same speakers in the z28.
By the way, would there be a Weber speaker that's equivalent/covers similar tone territory to the Celestian greenback?
I can't comment of the difference re Webers & Greenbacks since the Greenback is one speaker I haven't tried, but here is the link where I bought my Webers - and they/he sells Celestions as well. You can email him and get some great advice as well as his opinion(s).