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Post by simpleton on Jan 27, 2015 14:33:14 GMT -7
Can you lucky fellas with both gush about the beauty and differences/similarities of the Therapy & Monza drive tones...as well as a Master Volume comparison?
The Monza feels like the world biggest Fuzz Pedal and I am in love with that ... The Therapy has an actual real clean tone and an awesome drive...how do they feel and sound different?
Thanks ya'll
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Jan 27, 2015 15:45:40 GMT -7
Preamp Gain = Monza Power Amp Gain = Therapy , LOL That's the difference in 6L6's and EL84'S ANYWAY . I'm interested in hearing how this out, the Monza Kills in the Gain area
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Post by simpleton on Jan 27, 2015 19:58:43 GMT -7
Preamp Gain = Monza Power Amp Gain = Therapy , LOL That's the difference in 6L6's and EL84'S ANYWAY . I'm interested in hearing how this out, the Monza Kills in the Gain area I know you've got the Therapy, how about the Monza? Does the drive feel similar?
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jan 27, 2015 20:41:11 GMT -7
Monza: a little darker than the Therapy; and more of a smooth "preamp" odd-harmonic overdrive, since I (and many others) typically run the Drive knob a little higher than the Volume knob. Goes from sweet lo-gain drive to all-out fuzz.
Therapy: more clarity, and more of that signature Dr. Z breakup (more even order harmonics?). Goes super clean with the Volume below noon, but can get beefy & distorted with the volume above noon.
Monza seems best suited to me as a 1x10--basically, a tiny little box of nasty. Therapy seems more fitting in a head form, atop a 1x12, 2x12, 4x10.. more versatile and can also be tailored a bit more precisely. If the Antidote requires "big boy pants," then I'd call the Therapy a "gentleman's amplifier"--like a pro athlete wearing a suit.
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Post by nmz on Jan 27, 2015 20:56:25 GMT -7
Sounds like we need Mike....MIKE!!!!!!
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Post by simpleton on Jan 27, 2015 22:07:30 GMT -7
I'm asking about all this cause my buddy's 30 watt Bogner Metropolis is blowing my stereo rig outta the water volume wise and I was thinking of fighting back with more power. Since the Therapy MV gets a lot of praise I thought it might could take the place of my home rig as well as small and big club rig. I think I'm just so accustomed to the Ghia/Monza tones...but I'd replace the duo with the single ... I've also thought about Remedy, Maserati GT, Antidote, Maserati V1, Galaxie ... but they don't seem as home friendly. I'm thinking about re inventing myself again. Just to keep myself on my toes
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jan 28, 2015 6:18:37 GMT -7
Mazerati GT and Monza seem to share some DNA for sure. But unless you get a MV mod, the Mazerati GT is one loud amp.
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Post by simpleton on Jan 28, 2015 10:04:01 GMT -7
Mazerati GT and Monza seem to share some DNA for sure. But unless you get a MV mod, the Mazerati GT is one loud amp. I hadn't heard that Dr. Z did the MV mod on the Mazerati GT...Is it like the Monza MV ?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jan 28, 2015 10:09:25 GMT -7
Mazerati GT and Monza seem to share some DNA for sure. But unless you get a MV mod, the Mazerati GT is one loud amp. I hadn't heard that Dr. Z did the MV mod on the Mazerati GT...Is it like the Monza MV ? I'm not certain he offers it, but I've seen pictures of one here on the forum somewhere. When I had mine I had the Airbrake connected permanently, and it was still pretty loud. Of course speaker choice makes a difference here...
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jan 28, 2015 11:41:22 GMT -7
Mazerati GT and Monza seem to share some DNA for sure. But unless you get a MV mod, the Mazerati GT is one loud amp. I hadn't heard that Dr. Z did the MV mod on the Mazerati GT...Is it like the Monza MV ? Jaguarguy (Mike) has an MV on the back of his Mazerati GT. Turned way down, it's tolerable volume level and the amp sounds great. Cranked all the way up (as in, no master volume mod) that amp is downright deathly loud & near unmanageable for all but the most skilled hands.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Jan 28, 2015 14:19:19 GMT -7
Doc did put a MV on my Maz GT. From a technical standpoint I' m not sure whether it functions the same as the Monza (I think it does) but from a volume standpoint it is amazing. No way I could EVER turn it up all the way - had problems going above 1. I now know that when dimed this amp has a great fuzz tone! Turn up mv so it's out of the circuit and protect the women and children's ears! This amp will hang with just about any amp! Mine's not going anywhere.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Jan 29, 2015 9:44:28 GMT -7
EL84 amps (Monza) sound fizzy and fuzzy to me, when driven hard - personal, very personal, viewpoint 6L6 / 6V6 maps (Therapy) sound SO harmonically rich and really cut through the mix when driven hard and tend not to fuzz out. Again, VERY personal viewpoint. Of all my Z amps, I have owned 3x EL84 amps, and 3x 6L6 / 6V6 amps....... I still have the Z28 and Therapy (6V6 / 6L6 respectively, and the Z28 is set up to sound like a 6L6 amp anyway, so I guess I have found "my" sound ) Monza was a serious gain machine, Therapy less so, but I like the Therapy WAY more......... more clarity, more harmonics, more cut through. Again, IMHO via my ears.
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Post by simpleton on Jan 29, 2015 10:04:54 GMT -7
EL84 amps (Monza) sound fizzy and fuzzy to me, when driven hard - personal, very personal, viewpoint 6L6 / 6V6 maps (Therapy) sound SO harmonically rich and really cut through the mix when driven hard and tend not to fuzz out. Again, VERY personal viewpoint. Of all my Z amps, I have owned 3x EL84 amps, and 3x 6L6 / 6V6 amps....... I still have the Z28 and Therapy (6V6 / 6L6 respectively, and the Z28 is set up to sound like a 6L6 amp anyway, so I guess I have found "my" sound ) Monza was a serious gain machine, Therapy less so, but I like the Therapy WAY more......... more clarity, more harmonics, more cut through. Again, IMHO via my ears. Yet you also have mentioned that the Therapy was more raunchy than the Remedy right? I was waitin' on you Maverick to pop in with your love of the Therapy. I've become a fan of the Monza BUT I'm not a collector, just a player, and have been thinking about making the switch to the Therapy as my only head.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Jan 30, 2015 9:34:38 GMT -7
Yep, can't deny my love and preference of the Therapy The Therapy has less distortion than the Remedy, but seems to cut through more. I loved the Remedy, and wish I could have kept it too, but it has a very different flavour of drive than the Therapy or Monza. I really should give the Monza another go just for fun - it's been a while - but in terms of single use amps, I can easily live with the Therapy, or if I was happy using more pedals, the Z28, as my only ever amp. I'm not sure the Monza could claim that spot. Now, if you ask Todd (PCNS), you might get a whole different answer
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Post by Frankie Starr on Jan 31, 2015 11:19:57 GMT -7
Funny this came up, I was just playing the Monza and Therapy side by side. The Monza kind of kicks you in the face while the Therapy gives a nice clean jab. Volume wise the Monza feels louder, and not as clear as the Therapy. The Therapy has better cleans IMO I really like them both. They are very very different. But saying that, I forgot how good my Monza sounds, I haven't played it in a while. It really cooks !
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Post by simpleton on Feb 1, 2015 10:15:10 GMT -7
Funny this came up, I was just playing the Monza and Therapy side by side. The Monza kind of kicks you in the face while the Therapy gives a nice clean jab. Volume wise the Monza feels louder, and not as clear as the Therapy. The Therapy has better cleans IMO I really like them both. They are very very different. But saying that, I forgot how good my Monza sounds, I haven't played it in a while. It really cooks ! So even though the Therapy is 35 watts the Monza feels louder? Or is the Therapy actually louder? The Monza has a very 'forceful' way of pushing the notes that's for sure.
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Feb 1, 2015 17:41:11 GMT -7
1 SOLUTION TO A BOGNER SLAYING= SRZ OR ANTIDOTE LMAOOOOO , OR stack some OD Boosts if you need to , the Therapy isn't a High GAIN FIRE BREATHER , THE MONZA HAS quite of bit O GAIN, but doesn't have the headroom you need to get the power section COOKING!!!
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Post by simpleton on Feb 1, 2015 20:29:34 GMT -7
1 SOLUTION TO A BOGNER SLAYING= SRZ OR ANTIDOTE LMAOOOOO , OR stack some OD Boosts if you need to , the Therapy isn't a High GAIN FIRE BREATHER , THE MONZA HAS quite of bit O GAIN, but doesn't have the headroom you need to get the power section COOKING!!! Well the SRZ and Antidote have been on my thinking list as well. Especially the Antidote....I don't know much about the SRZ but maybe I'll dig around a bit. The Bogner Metropolus isn't really High gain so much but the 30 watts just gives it more of that headroom that you speak of to help it not become lost when things get LOUDEST!!
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Feb 3, 2015 21:19:09 GMT -7
I've been having an absolute blast with my Monza stacked on top of my Therapy and a 1x12 cab. I have an a/b amp switch on my pedalboard, and switch between the Therapy and Monza for leads. That's fun. I think the two amps compliment each other very nicely.
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Post by simpleton on Feb 3, 2015 21:35:29 GMT -7
I've been having an absolute blast with my Monza stacked on top of my Therapy and a 1x12 cab. I have an a/b amp switch on my pedalboard, and switch between the Therapy and Monza for leads. That's fun. I think the two amps compliment each other very nicely. Volume wise how would you compare them? I see in your avatar picture that it's a 'Red House over yonder'
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Post by djcakadave on Feb 3, 2015 21:36:03 GMT -7
I've been having an absolute blast with my Monza stacked on top of my Therapy and a 1x12 cab. I have an a/b amp switch on my pedalboard, and switch between the Therapy and Monza for leads. That's fun. I think the two amps compliment each other very nicely. Dang it Dave, you just had to go and say that
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Feb 4, 2015 6:38:40 GMT -7
I gotta say volume wise, you'd be in one damn loud band if the Monza wasn't loud enough to balance the Therapy!!! You know, it really is an over-the-top setup, because if I throw a pedal in front of the Therapy I can get just as sweet a lead tone. It's just different, plus it looks very cool. And I figure that since I should bring a back up amp anyway...and I had the A/B switch laying around, why not? It does sound a little better with the Monza on the floor, but I love the stacked look. In amps as well as Mary Ann and Ginger.
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Post by Maddog on Feb 4, 2015 6:42:50 GMT -7
....... but I love the stacked look. In amps as well as Mary Ann and Ginger. EVERYTHING ALWAYS comes back to this ^^^^^ ........It's just a law of nature.....
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