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Post by Stephen on Nov 13, 2014 11:19:40 GMT -7
I'm a new Route 66 owner. I'm used to playing the Maz amps with master volume. I've practiced with the Route 66 twice now (with an Airbrake on 4). I have been unable to get the Route 66 to break up. I play Stratocasters. What settings would you Route 66 players suggest?
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Post by jb on Nov 13, 2014 14:30:26 GMT -7
Did you push the treble and bass knobs well past noon, say 2 to 4 o'clock?
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Post by digiTED aka 'Ted' on Nov 13, 2014 16:10:14 GMT -7
Did you push the treble and bass knobs well past noon, say 2 to 4 o'clock? yep, the T and B add gain in their respective frequency ranges after 12:00. Other ways to lower your headroom: 1. check your bias: you may be biased too cold for your preferences 2. if bias is good for the KTs you have in there, try a different, lower voltage rectifier like a 5V4 to brown things out a bit. You can test it out briefly without re-bias, but you'll want to double-check bias if you decide to run with it for a while. 3. try less efficient speakers. I really liked a 65w Scumback M75 with mine when I wanted more breakup from the Gold I usually used with it. 4. different EF86? I never deviated from Dario Minwatts; I tried a Tesla but preferred the clarity of the Darios. Not sure how much you can affect headroom this way though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 8:11:42 GMT -7
Man, I wish I coulda kept my Route! I did not have any problem getting it to break up with the volume at on or near noon, and either/both tone knobs past noon. Assuming the amp is running good tubes at the right bias, this should be an easy recipe for some grind.
Come to think of it, my Route had a 5U4 rectifier - That may have helped add some sag/compression.
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Post by Stephen on Nov 14, 2014 10:19:01 GMT -7
The amp is brand new, so I'm assuming the tubes are fresh. I will keep working with it. Thanks.
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Post by John on Nov 16, 2014 8:01:39 GMT -7
Turn all three knobs up all the way...see if it gives you the kind of overdrive you want at that level. Then if it's sufficient, then start backing off the knobs to taste.
The 66 has different overdrive characteristics than other amps. (along with the Z-28 and KT-45) If you're thinking you're going to get Mesa Boogie style overdrive...it's not that kind of amp. It's also a very different amp from the Maz.
Also, all the amps that share that same platform (Route 66, KT-45 and Z-28) have VERY sensitive input characteristics. Meaning...they're very sensitive to the pickup output. (I've had a Z-28 and a Route 66) With 'vintage' or low/normal/regular output single coil pickups, it can be difficult to get the amp to overdrive. I found it difficult to get overdrive tones with my low output tele pickups. But I had a friend try it with a Clapton strat..with that mid boost electronic stuff. I couldn't get the amp to NOT overdrive. I told him to turn all that crap off and just use the straight strat pickups. Sounded fine after that.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Nov 16, 2014 10:37:03 GMT -7
John summed-it-up quite nice. Been a while, but I had a "brief" flirtation with Rt 66 .... cool amp - it had me getting a good range of tone/flavors with STratocaster, SG, and my PRS SC245. Pickups, wood, speakers etc are definitely a consideration in settings and amp response .... and aint nothin' wrong with pushing those controls over to the hard-right and adjusting the volume to taste cheers always, Joel
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Post by ME on Nov 16, 2014 10:47:05 GMT -7
I liked the R 66. It is loud. Love my Antidote. It is loud. The 66, for me, worked well with boost pedals. Often stacking them. I found it was sensitive to guitar volume, got nasty with it on full. I'd usually boost to get a good tone and keep the volume in check with the guitar. Best thing I found in getting the tones I liked without killing the band with volume was a Brake Lite. Helped to sit in the mix much better as well. ME
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Post by thunderstruck(formerly doc001) on Nov 18, 2014 22:37:20 GMT -7
You won't get Maz type break up without a fuzz or distortion pedal.
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Post by Baconator on Nov 19, 2014 9:11:02 GMT -7
I'm curious to hear how boosting the bass and treble controls worked for the OP. It is a loud amp, but you can get some pretty good drive at lower volume control settings (9:00) with the right pickups. I love my tele and strat through it, but their pickups are maybe a bit stronger that some. With humbuckers it's almost too easy to get breakup (but I'm far from complaining). Even with the brakelite on 4 it could be too loud for some (quiet) stages when dialed in for breakup, but the right pedal can help immensely.
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Post by Stephen on Nov 19, 2014 22:19:59 GMT -7
I practiced using the 333 settings and my Airbrake tonight. I played my Stratocaster on the middle pickup, volume on 7 for clean and ten for a little dirt. I'm starting to get the hang of it. Played slide on the neck pickup, too. Very nice. Thanks for all your comments.
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Post by jb on Nov 20, 2014 20:57:30 GMT -7
Good to hear, I crank my Airbrake up to 4 and get all kinds of gain going on. Don't lose any noticeable tone until I hit the bedroom settings.
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Post by dixiechicken on Dec 5, 2014 6:52:09 GMT -7
DC here! I Have the Route66 brand new 2007 with the 2x10" cab removable backplate. I have no trouble getting the amp to break up with my Warmoth Telcaster with Seymour Duncan Vintage stacks on it. Sounds awesome actually With LesPaul with Seymour Duncan P90 stacks or My Gibson Les Paul Melody Maker 120 Anniversary with the original P90:s I actually think it breaks up a bit much - I turn the knobs back a bit YMMV Cheers: Dixiechicken!
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