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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 6:22:20 GMT -7
I'm assuming you have the removable panel on the back off in the "open" position? I do. Thanks! That's good. Whatever you do I'd go for a speaker mismatch. 2 Golds and 2 something else. I do it in all of my multi-speaker cabs/combos. It can yield great options.
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Post by perry on Oct 2, 2018 9:13:09 GMT -7
To be fair, that’s pretty true of the cts alnicos in old supers too. Never really run the bass higher than 3, and I’d go done from there at higher volume. Barring those, a beefed up weber might do the trick, or for $$ the g10 gold definitely will. I find the weber darker than the gold fwiw. Awesome, appreciate the information. I'm gonna try the 10" Celestion Alnico Golds. I already have them and they are installedin the cabinet but I haven't had time to play it much yet. I will report back. I have a 12" Alnico Gold in a 1x12 Vox AC30 and my Dr. Z EZG-50 sounds great through that. If four 10" Alnico Gold's don't do it for me maybe it's safe to start considering maybe I'm not a 10" speaker kind of guy. Lol. Thanks, please report back!! I've been pondering an(other) EZG (before blonde/color tolex is discontinued) with a Z 4x10 with the Emi Legend 10 option - just to try as I also have a quad of 10" golds in an Avatar cab I could swap out.
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Post by GT Roger on Oct 13, 2018 9:55:48 GMT -7
I ordered a G10 gold for my Z 2x10 cabinet. I've been wanting to try combining the gold with the Z10 for a while. I'm also using the EZG-50.
I love Alnicos. Hope you guys are still digging yours!
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Post by perry on Oct 29, 2018 9:29:12 GMT -7
Anyone have any updates using the Golds with their EZG??
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Post by GT Roger on Oct 30, 2018 7:29:04 GMT -7
I got my new gold, but haven't gotten a chance to try it out yet.
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Post by Patrick B on Nov 26, 2018 15:54:54 GMT -7
I want to reply and report my progress of my speaker quest but I don't know how to do it without it being a huge long post. I've tried 4 sets of 4x10's: two sets of Dr. Z Z10's, Celestion Alnico Gold's and also Eminence Legend 1028's.
All these are with my Dr. Z EZG-50 amp:
Original brand new Z10's that came in my brand new cabinet: sounds great but noticeably dark and lacking in treble response. I'm expecting Fender Super Reverb sounds.
Brand new Eminence Legend 1028: Has great mids and top end that was lacking in the original Z10's but can't stay clean. Sounds great for medium overdriven sounds but I like to also have loud cleans. Also, very lightweight. Cabinet is a pleasure to move around with these. This sounds more like SRV El Mocambo to me. With these I don't have to turn the bass on the amp all the way down so that's nice. New Celestion Alnico Gold 10": Sounds amazing but back to being heavy (same weight as Z10's). Great cleans and has the high end missing from the original Z10's so I'm basically really happy here. I think I've found my speaker. I have a 12" version of this speaker and love it with my Vox AC30 and these 10" versions sound about as good as I expected.
But I start thinking, man, those Eminence, while not staying really clean they sure did sound great for Stevie Ray Vaughan type medium overdriven stuff. Maybe I can live with it so I want to compare them to the Alnico Gold's, two completely different speakers but still I want to A/B them to make sure I like the Gold's enough to keep them as they are very pricey.
I pick up a used Backline 4x10 cabinet just to make A/B comparisons easier, quicker and more meaningful. I really didn't think I needed the extra set of Z10's that came in it but before I took out the Z10's in this older cabinet I played it and OMG, it absolutely sounded amazing. I can now instantly A/B due to having two cabinets and compared to the Alnico Golds these older Z10's win hands down They do it all. Clean, loud and has the high end missing from the original Z10's that came in my brand new cabinet. I'm in shock really. The Gold's sounded great but these old Z10's sound even better. They sound soooo much better than my original Z10's that I wonder if maybe there has been a change to the speaker over time or maybe I got a bad batch. Does the high end response improve with speakers as they break in? I thought it was more the bass that developed as they break in. Would love to hear comments on this.
If my original speakers sounded like these old ones I would have never even thought of looking at something else. These old speakers are really amazing. So to make sure I remove the Gold's and A/B both sets of Z10's side by side switching instantly back and forth between the two cabs and yea, the older speakers are really that much better than the new ones. I'm tickled to have found these speakers but it just makes me wonder what's going on here. I'd like to know if my new Z10's would eventually break in and sound like these old ones. I put the new ones through about 6-8 hours of fairly hard break in time and after I think they do sound better but still not approaching the old ones yet. How many hours should I put on these speakers before I really judge them? Is it reasonable to expect the treble response to improve as they break in?
So that's where I'm at. In order of preference, Old Z10's (unknown date), Celestion Alnico Gold's, Eminence Legend 1028k and coming in last the original Z10's that came in my new cabinet. However even the new Z10's in last place still sound good. The amp is awesome and if I had to I could live with the new speakers. When I first got the amp and cabinet I did like it. Only after comparing to other things did I really realize so much better was possible.
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Post by goodez on Nov 26, 2018 20:48:32 GMT -7
If I recall it was in the realm of 75 hours or so to break in those Eminence Z10 speakers. Honestly, I didn’t care much for the sound of my 2x10” Z cab when I first got it. Just as you stated, it lacked clarity and top end. I haven’t given up on it yet and have pumped out the required amount of hours through it using an ipad since I wanted it done quickly. People claim to love this cab so I’d really like to keep at it, in hopes maybe there’s an aging process involved like wine lol. Did you try combining the z10 with gold?
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Post by Patrick B on Nov 27, 2018 20:39:56 GMT -7
If I recall it was in the realm of 75 hours or so to break in those Eminence Z10 speakers. Honestly, I didn’t care much for the sound of my 2x10” Z cab when I first got it. Just as you stated, it lacked clarity and top end. I haven’t given up on it yet and have pumped out the required amount of hours through it using an ipad since I wanted it done quickly. People claim to love this cab so I’d really like to keep at it, in hopes maybe there’s an aging process involved like wine lol. Did you try combining the z10 with gold? I have not tried combinations yet. That would be interesting. Only thing that troubles me is issue of mic'ing the cabinet when live. It wouldn't be same sound as I'm hearing on stage but then again I'm sure nobody but me would notice or care. Also I forgot to add the only thing I currently have planned is trying the Eminence Legend 1518 speaker. I'm getting a 1x15 baffle made my mojotone to install in the Backline 4x10.
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Post by goodez on Dec 2, 2018 19:26:13 GMT -7
Well, looks like Santa will be bringing me a 10” Celestion Gold for Christmas to pair with the Z10”. I’m going to try and see if this will take the blanket off the same way the 12” Gold did for me with my Db4. I would fully break in those 10” Golds (25-40hrs) and then compare again. Some describe new Golds as shrill before breaking them in. I’ve got 80+hours on my z10’s and still find them focused in the low range and dark with my z28.
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Post by Patrick B on Dec 2, 2018 19:55:43 GMT -7
Well, looks like Santa will be bringing me a 10” Celestion Gold for Christmas to pair with the Z10”. I’m going to try and see if this will take the blanket off the same way the 12” Gold did for me with my Db4. I would fully break in those 10” Golds (25-40hrs) and then compare again. Some describe new Golds as shrill before breaking them in. I’ve got 80+hours on my z10’s and still find them focused in the low range and dark with my z28. Yes, I need to break in the Gold 10" also but I think they sound great out of the box. If they improve then that will really be a treat and maybe give my old broken in set of Z10's a run for their money. I love making my gear compete to be my "favorite".
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Post by perry on Dec 2, 2018 20:23:04 GMT -7
Hey Patrick,
Not sure how I missed this? I must have checked right before you posted then got side tracked with the holiday? Thank you for your detailed findings. Greatly appreciated!! (And not too long haha)
Similar to my feelings. The Z 10's are good but I never got the Super Reverb tones I was hoping for. Really glad to hear you thought the 1028's gave you more of that SRV/Elmocombo vibe. I have pristine clean covered with a 100 watt Blackface style head that I use an Avatar 4x10 with Golds.
Just curious, when you bought the new cab, did you consider (or know about) the Emi Z Legend option or did you already have the 1028's? I'm still considering ordering a new EZG & 4x10, with the Z Legends, in blonde while the colors are still offered.
Thanks, Joe
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Post by Patrick B on Dec 2, 2018 20:30:45 GMT -7
Hey Patrick, Not sure how I missed this? I must have checked right before you posted then got side tracked with the holiday? Thank you for your detailed findings. Greatly appreciated!! (And not too long haha) Similar to my feelings. The Z 10's are good but I never got the Super Reverb tones I was hoping for. Really glad to hear you thought the 1028's gave you more of that SRV/Elmocombo vibe. I have pristine clean covered with a 100 watt Blackface style head that I use an Avatar 4x10 with Golds. Just curious, when you bought the new cab, did you consider (or know about) the Emi Z Legend option or did you already have the 1028's? I'm still considering ordering a new EZG & 4x10, with the Z Love, in blonde while the colors are still offered. Thanks, Joe No, I did not know about the Eminence Legend option in a new Dr. Z 4x10. And at the time however I doubt that I would have taken it as I didn't then know anything about them. When I bought the first new 4x10 cab with I didn't have any 10" speakers to my name, only 12" of various types.
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Post by perry on Dec 3, 2018 11:07:26 GMT -7
Thanks for the reply! Ya, not too much info on the Z Legends - which is why I'm not rushing into it.
Wow, you went all in on the experiment with not having any 10's to start with?!
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Post by Patrick B on Dec 3, 2018 11:13:13 GMT -7
Thanks for the reply! Ya, not too much info on the Z Legends - which is why I'm not rushing into it. Wow, you went all in on the experiment with not having any 10's to start with?! Well one thing just led to another. It's been fun and educational. I figure what I don't end up using I can sell.
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Post by perry on May 8, 2019 7:12:54 GMT -7
Hey Patrick,
Just curious....Are you still going with the "older" Z 10's or did you switch back to one of the other sets? I took the plunge and have the 4x10 with the Z legends. I had to be the (not so) early adopter!
Right now I'm using it with my Pure 64 Blackface style head and it sounds great right out of the box! Super Reverb city!! These speaker just put it over the edge, for me of course, for that sparkly Fendery tone. Now I need to get another EZG-50 to run it with for the true test!
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Post by Patrick B on May 8, 2019 11:34:32 GMT -7
Hey Patrick,
Just curious....Are you still going with the "older" Z 10's or did you switch back to one of the other sets? I took the plunge and have the 4x10 with the Z legends. I had to be the (not so) early adopter!
Right now I'm using it with my Pure 64 Blackface style head and it sounds great right out of the box! Super Reverb city!! These speaker just put it over the edge, for me of course, for that sparkly Fendery tone. Now I need to get another EZG-50 to run it with for the true test!
Yes. I have not found anything I like better than that "older" set of z10's. However a close "2nd place" is either a single Z 12 or a pair of them in either a Dr. Z 1x12 open back or Dr. Z Backline 2x12 with open back. Here are all I have tried in no particular order: Celestion Alnico Gold 1x12 Celestion Alnico Gold 2x10 and 4x10 Celestion Alnico Cream 1x12 Celestion Vintage 30 1x12 and 2x12 Eminence Legend 1028k 4x10 Eminence Legend 1518 1x15 Eminence Texas Heat Patriot 1x12 Dr. Z Z10's 2x10 and 4x10 Dr. Z Z12's 1x12 and 2x12 Celestion Black Shadow (Mesa Boogie Speaker) 1x12
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Post by zpilot on May 8, 2019 11:49:59 GMT -7
Hey Patrick,
Just curious....Are you still going with the "older" Z 10's or did you switch back to one of the other sets? I took the plunge and have the 4x10 with the Z legends. I had to be the (not so) early adopter!
Right now I'm using it with my Pure 64 Blackface style head and it sounds great right out of the box! Super Reverb city!! These speaker just put it over the edge, for me of course, for that sparkly Fendery tone. Now I need to get another EZG-50 to run it with for the true test!
Yes. I have not found anything I like better than that "older" set of z10's. However a close "2nd place" is either a single Z 12 or a pair of them in either a Dr. Z 1x12 open back or Dr. Z Backline 2x12 with open back. Here are all I have tried in no particular order: Celestion Alnico Gold 1x12 Celestion Alnico Gold 2x10 and 4x10 Celestion Alnico Cream 1x12 Celestion Vintage 30 1x12 and 2x12 Eminence Legend 1028k 4x10 Eminence Legend 1518 1x15 Dr. Z Z10's 2x10 and 4x10 Dr. Z Z12's 1x12 and 2x12 Celestion Black Shadow (Mesa Boogie Speaker) 1x12 You refer to the speakers you like as "older Z-10's". How much older? The pair I have are about 7 years old and I love them.
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Post by Patrick B on May 8, 2019 12:03:24 GMT -7
Yes. I have not found anything I like better than that "older" set of z10's. However a close "2nd place" is either a single Z 12 or a pair of them in either a Dr. Z 1x12 open back or Dr. Z Backline 2x12 with open back. Here are all I have tried in no particular order: Celestion Alnico Gold 1x12 Celestion Alnico Gold 2x10 and 4x10 Celestion Alnico Cream 1x12 Celestion Vintage 30 1x12 and 2x12 Eminence Legend 1028k 4x10 Eminence Legend 1518 1x15 Dr. Z Z10's 2x10 and 4x10 Dr. Z Z12's 1x12 and 2x12 Celestion Black Shadow (Mesa Boogie Speaker) 1x12 You refer to the speakers you like as "older Z-10's". How much older? The pair I have are about 7 years old and I love them. I don't know the age but would like to know more about them. I'll get some pics and codes from the cab and speakers then maybe someone can help date them. My feeling is that they are simply different. I'm no expert but I really wonder if break in would account for the difference I'm hearing. I really feel lucky to have found this cabinet! I will try to post pics later when home from work.
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Post by Patrick B on May 9, 2019 7:41:00 GMT -7
You refer to the speakers you like as "older Z-10's". How much older? The pair I have are about 7 years old and I love them. I don't know the age but would like to know more about them. I'll get some pics and codes from the cab and speakers then maybe someone can help date them. My feeling is that they are simply different. I'm no expert but I really wonder if break in would account for the difference I'm hearing. I really feel lucky to have found this cabinet! I will try to post pics later when home from work. I started a new thread with pics of the older cabinet and speakers asking for help dating them. ztalk.proboards.com/thread/82123/help-me-date-cabinet-speakers
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Post by gbowman on May 9, 2019 11:55:47 GMT -7
I've used both WGS ET10 and G10c/s and liked them. The G10 is brighter and more American sounding. Worth looking into WGS if you haven't already...
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