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Post by smolder on Sept 22, 2014 13:23:21 GMT -7
It's me not the amp... but I live on the rhythm pickup. Playing it through a pair of celestial gold 10's. The bass is bottom'd, the treble is dim'd... a bright cap maybe? A slightly different tone stack? I'm hesitant to mod this amp, but love the tome... just need it a tad brighter.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Sept 22, 2014 13:28:50 GMT -7
Have you tried treble pedal? I've got a Hawk pedal that is a copy of Rory's Gallagher's Dalas Range Master - works great!
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Post by smolder on Sept 22, 2014 13:31:52 GMT -7
Thanks Jaguarguy... plugging straight in would be best, I've avoided throwing an EQ pedal or a treble boost in the mix, but may have to go that way.
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Post by hubrex on Sept 22, 2014 15:01:52 GMT -7
What guitar are you using? There is a huge difference IMO. Single-coil pickups are typically brighter than humbuckers. While 'buckers sound fatter, its usually at the expense of having less treble. Of course, not all single coils are bright. I've got one Strat with a treble-less bridge PU. Haven't taken that one on a gig in a couple of years. You may have a preferred ax that you can't live without - and I get that! - then your best move will be to add a treble boost like Mike suggests. Life with a pedal (or two) is better than living with a tone that you don't like.
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Post by Hohn on Sept 22, 2014 16:43:48 GMT -7
If your humbucker has no high end, it's because they are overwound. Great PAF- style humbuckers are not super hot and have plenty of high end.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 17:14:10 GMT -7
Step 1: trade for Ghia/Stangray Step 2: ? Step 3: profit!!!!
I kid, mostly. In my short time with the 28' I found it to be a really nice, warm amp. I liked it a lot. It doesn't really do that crispy high end, at least on its own. I rather liked it for this. Please keep in mind, though, I'd be the guy posting a "How do I dial some of the high end out of my Ghia" thread. At least in my mind, amps either tend towards bright or warm. The 28 definitely leaned warm for me.
Good luck in getting your sound!
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Post by hubrex on Sept 22, 2014 18:13:32 GMT -7
If your humbucker has no high end, it's because they are overwound. Great PAF- style humbuckers are not super hot and have plenty of high end. The fallacy of "hot" humbuckers...
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Post by Christopher on Sept 22, 2014 19:05:43 GMT -7
I agree w guitar choice influencing tone but overall the '28 is "darker" than most other 6V6 amps. The EF86 is also prone to change after a few thousand hours of use. I put a newer one in mine after I got mine and it helped it a bit. One important point to remember is the knobs (bass and treble) ADD gain after the noon position on the '28 so if you want brighter than one a speaker voiced that way may be the way to go or possible tubes swaps (V1 & V2) till you hear what you're searching for bc you're adding meat more so than treble frequencies w the knobs. Hth.
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Post by smolder on Sept 23, 2014 5:08:31 GMT -7
I play mostly Gibsons, both humbucker and P90's, almost always with low wind pickups. Fender amps with jbl speakers are my standard of late, but would like a less mid scooped amp as an alternative. I currently have a Z28 and Ghia, both sound great on their own, but the z28 outshines the Ghia for me, right up until I take it to a gig with the band. It has me wondering about the M12 and the Zwreck.
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Post by Maddog on Sept 23, 2014 5:41:28 GMT -7
What speakers are you playing your Z's thru?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 5:48:32 GMT -7
Try Lowering the bass side of the neck pickup.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Sept 23, 2014 6:19:33 GMT -7
As Eric says. Lower the bass side of the pup.
As for speakers, I found the Weber Blue Pup Ceramic to have plenty of chime-y highs and really lifted the amp. Not expensive to try and may just work for you......
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Post by digiTED aka 'Ted' on Sept 23, 2014 9:17:41 GMT -7
Some great advice in here already. I did a bit of tweaking with my '28 and found tube freshness/bias and pickup hotness could play a big role.
The JJ 6V6S are brighter than many 6V6GTs and when biased on the cooler side will showcase that quality.
For extra hot pups you may try lowering the neck and raising the poles a bit if lowering just the bass side isn't enough.
Also, it's possible your G10 Golds are 'extra' broken in, too!
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Post by Buzz Fretwear (Ignatius) on Sept 24, 2014 9:56:31 GMT -7
There have been times where I wanted a little more chime out of mine, and I always wondered if a different EF86 would alter the tone in that way. I never have gotten around to experimenting with it though.
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Post by hymns on Sept 24, 2014 10:18:27 GMT -7
I would try the bearfoot Sea Blue EQ and see what it did. Nice pedal that is not to aggressive. I sometimes leave it on all the time because it really makes an amp, especially small amp, sound big and full. I play it on my bigger amps too.
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Post by digiTED aka 'Ted' on Sept 24, 2014 10:39:52 GMT -7
I would try the bearfoot Sea Blue EQ and see what it did. Nice pedal that is not to aggressive. I sometimes leave it on all the time because it really makes an amp, especially small amp, sound big and full. I play it on my bigger amps too. good call. I used a SBEQ for a few years to "embiggen" the tone of my '28 when used at home volumes.
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Post by rcrecelius on Sept 24, 2014 18:26:57 GMT -7
Have you tried turning the treble back down to around noon? Since these controls add gain past noon you might actually find more treble by turning the treble down!
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Post by markT on Sept 25, 2014 8:10:10 GMT -7
I play mostly Gibsons, both humbucker and P90's, almost always with low wind pickups. Fender amps with jbl speakers are my standard of late, but would like a less mid scooped amp as an alternative. I currently have a Z28 and Ghia, both sound great on their own, but the z28 outshines the Ghia for me, right up until I take it to a gig with the band. It has me wondering about the M12 and the Zwreck. I have never been fond of an amp that I had to tweak this and that to get the tone I need. That was my ONLY complaint with the Z28. All great suggestions found above, but I moved on to a Therapy and have thick, warm tones with all the highs I'll ever need.... AND even more power if needed ( headroom and volume).....AND, sounds better at low volumes too!!! Just sayin'
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Sept 25, 2014 8:19:11 GMT -7
I play mostly Gibsons, both humbucker and P90's, almost always with low wind pickups. Fender amps with jbl speakers are my standard of late, but would like a less mid scooped amp as an alternative. I currently have a Z28 and Ghia, both sound great on their own, but the z28 outshines the Ghia for me, right up until I take it to a gig with the band. It has me wondering about the M12 and the Zwreck. I have never been fond of an amp that I had to tweak this and that to get the tone I need. That was my ONLY complaint with the Z28. All great suggestions found above, but I moved on to a Therapy and have thick, warm tones with all the highs I'll ever need.... AND even more power if needed ( headroom and volume).....AND, sounds better at low volumes too!!! Just sayin' I didn't like to say........... but I can get everything I could get from my Z28 out of my Therapy....... and then some!! Z28 still a stellar amp, but it has its sensitivities, especially around speakers in my experience.
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Post by schultz on Sept 26, 2014 7:21:19 GMT -7
As Eric says. Lower the bass side of the pup. As for speakers, I found the Weber Blue Pup Ceramic to have plenty of chime-y highs and really lifted the amp. Not expensive to try and may just work for you...... What model of Weber Blue Pup Ceramic speakers did you go with? was it the 50 w or 75w? Dope or no dope?, etc. To the OP: I currently have a Gold in my Z28 and like the sound (treble at 1:00, bass at 11:00 but I prefer a slightly brighter sound too). I have found that turning the volume up a bit (2:00) really does open the amp up a lot as well. I can do that where I play without using the Brake-Lite but you might need to set the attenuator at 1 click if it's too loud for your venue.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Sept 27, 2014 6:25:24 GMT -7
As Eric says. Lower the bass side of the pup. As for speakers, I found the Weber Blue Pup Ceramic to have plenty of chime-y highs and really lifted the amp. Not expensive to try and may just work for you...... What model of Weber Blue Pup Ceramic speakers did you go with? was it the 50 w or 75w? Dope or no dope?, etc. To the OP: I currently have a Gold in my Z28 and like the sound (treble at 1:00, bass at 11:00 but I prefer a slightly brighter sound too). I have found that turning the volume up a bit (2:00) really does open the amp up a lot as well. I can do that where I play without using the Brake-Lite but you might need to set the attenuator at 1 click if it's too loud for your venue. it was a 10" stock ceramic, so no dope as far as I remember, and the 50W version (I didn't know they did a 75W 10"........) It was a nice bright articulate speaker that overcame the "mid hump" of the Z28, and kept it from getting muddy. I'll be getting another one when I get my replacement Z 1x10 combo cab......
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Post by schultz on Sept 27, 2014 6:45:46 GMT -7
Mine is a Z28 1x12 combo that's why I asked about the 75w.
Yesterday I was playing the Z28 and found my favorite tone at Volume 2:00, Bass 10:30 and treble at 12:00. It was clear, articulate and warm without being overly bright or harsh. Personally, I prefer to turn the volume up higher and keep the treble and bass gain lower and use my Gain Changer overdrive for the boost. Unlike most folks who seem to love the 3:00, 3:00, 3:00 I think that is a bit over the top for my ears with this amp.
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