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Post by losangeles on Jul 27, 2014 12:34:45 GMT -7
I just got a used EZG-50 at Truetone in Santa Monica and love the amp. I'm looking for advice on speaker cabs.
I originally intended to run this amp through my invincible tank: a 90's Sovtek 4x10 with eminence speakers (200w, 8 OHM) and the amp is just so damn loud through it. I immediately knew that I needed to downsize the cab to tame the beast a bit and bring it back to writing session/collaboration/rehearsal levels. Lugging the Sovtek cabinet is also kind of like carrying around a dead linebacker, so while I'm looking at "naturally" reducing output, better portability is also a motivator here.
I went out and grabbed an Egnater 1x12 cabinet with a Celestion Elite-80 (80w, 16 OHM) speaker. Big big change. I can now keep the pre and post knowbs between 9:00 and 10:00 and run my effects through it to great - uh - effect.
But boy, do I miss the buttery 10" sound. The 12 cab is ported, which helps provide a nice bottom, but I still find it a touch too edgy.
So now I'm looking to find something right in the middle and I'm on the hunt for a 2x10 cab.
So the big question is, before I play another round of whack-a-mole and buy even more gear that might not be right for me, does anyone have experience using a 2x10 cab with the EZG-50? Is this a good matchup to your ears? What can I expect from this configuration?
Also, what is the difference between the newer Dr Z 2x10 cabs with the diagonal speaker configuration and the older Dr Z's that were smaller/shorter with a side-by-side configuration? I think I've found one of those.
Finally, as a new member with less than 30 days activity, I don't have access at this point to the buy-n-sell forum to look for a used DrZ 2x10. If anyone knows where I can get one, that would be tremendously helpful.
Thanks so much for any advice!
Kent Venice, CA
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 12:45:34 GMT -7
No experience w/ a 2x10, but I love mine through a Z 4x10 (stock), or, alternatively, an open-back 1x12 w/ a Celestion Gold. It'd be awesome through a good 2x12 open-back, too, but maybe a little boomy for a closed-back cab. When I think about speaker matches for the EZG, I think either Super Reverb, Twin, or high-powered Deluxe. So far it's working for me.
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Post by losangeles on Jul 27, 2014 13:43:15 GMT -7
Thanks so much for the reply! if we're comparing to fender (I think this is one of the few Dr Z amps you can do that with) I guess I'm aming for a blackface piggyback thing. I think vibrolux and/or tremolux heads were often paired with 2x10 cabinets. From what I'm reading, those old fender 2x10 cabs are rare little beasties that people often ask too much money for (it says fender on it, dangit!) and if you do find them, more often than not, the speakers are blown out.
But as far as space saving goes, I do appreciate the horizontal configuration.
On an entirely different subject, 3 days into owning this amp, my power indicator lightbulb has gone out on the EZG-50. I can only assume that it's a standard 47 bulb. Is this correct?
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Post by losangeles on Jul 27, 2014 15:04:19 GMT -7
One quick trip to radio shack and I'm all set with a new bulb - set of 2 #47 6.3 volt GE blubs cost $2.50.
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Post by BradPaisleyFan (Pat) on Jul 27, 2014 15:22:30 GMT -7
I have an EZG as well and I just tried it in a closed Mesa boogie cab with a c90 in it. That's the best cab I have heard the EZG through yet.
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Post by bloozeman on Jul 27, 2014 16:35:30 GMT -7
No experience w/ a 2x10, but I love mine through a Z 4x10 (stock), or, alternatively, an open-back 1x12 w/ a Celestion Gold. It'd be awesome through a good 2x12 open-back, too, but maybe a little boomy for a closed-back cab. When I think about speaker matches for the EZG, I think either Super Reverb, Twin, or high-powered Deluxe. So far it's working for me. I use mine with an avatar 2x12 open back with a weber blue dog and weber silver bell combination. I have the 4x10 Z cabinet to match but I find that cabinet sounds to have a lot of mids in it. is that the conclusion of that cab or is it my imagination? Id like to use the 4x10 more but im not really into a mid heavy sound
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Post by gplayer1965 on Jul 27, 2014 17:55:56 GMT -7
2x10 is real nice 1x12 gold is nice as well. I would imagine 4x10 is a dream
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 6:35:45 GMT -7
Let's see....I have:
Z-Best 2x12 (G12H30 / Vintage 30). Sounds amazing, but different than a typical Fender amp.
Z 4x10. I obviously have it with the stock speakers (sounds great, but they're amazingly LOUD!). I've also tried it with Jensen C10Q's. Those are #1 WAY lighter than the Z 10's and #2 much more Fendery than the Z 10's. If you wanted something more Fendery with less overall output, then those are a great option. I believe you can get 4 of them for less than $200 new. No, they're not alnico Jensen's like the old BF amps but they sounds pretty good to me!
Z 1x12. I am currently using a WGS G12C/S, and it sounds great with F-style amps. It's meant to be a clean sounding speaker, so it doesn't quite sound like the Celestion you're used to hearing. Sounds nice though. I also have a Celestion G12H75 Creamback that I'm going to try soon. I am in fact a Celestion love, and think it'll be a great sounding and balanced speaker. Haven't tried the Alnico Gold. I like Alnico Gold's, but I don't hold them head and shoulders above everything else. Depends on the tones you want I suppose. The Z 1x12 does sound good, but as other's have stated its just not as full as the 2x12 or 4x10.
Lugging around the Z-Best or Z 4x10 wouldn't be my first option; however, when I had Jensen's in the Z 4x10 I would have to guess that it weighed AT LEAST 10-15 lbs less. You could look online to check out the weight difference, and then multiply it by 4. The 4x10 with Jensen's would be much less of a burden to carry around as an alternative. That would make the Z 4x10 (w/ Jensen's) around 40 lbs; which is going to be lighter than just about any 2x12 as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 6:54:01 GMT -7
I just checked my math....try to follow my logic...
A Z 1x12 with a Celestion weighs 38 lbs. Subtract 10 lbs for the Celestion and the 1x12 empty should be around 28 lbs. The Z 2x10 weighs 41 lbs. We should be able to suggest that it weighs around 27-28 lbs empty (consider also the extra 10" cutout...maybe a lb less overall than the 1x12). If the total weight is 41 - 27 lbs, then the two speakers would weigh around 14 lbs (7 lbs each).
The Jensen C10Q's weigh 3.5 lbs, so you'd be saving 14 lbs total (4 speakers) making the Z 4x10 weigh 40 lbs (within a pound or so). The stock Z 4x10 shows 54 lbs on the Z website. That's a great and light option for big tone (bigger than any 1x12) and less weight than any 2x12.
I'm not saying that the Jensen's sound better than the Z speakers; however, if weight is a HUGE concern then there are options out there.
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I think both 10's and 12's sound great with the EZG. The Z 2x10 would certainly be a good option to try. I'm sure it would sound bigger than the 1x12. I just wanted to point out that the Z 4x10 doesn't HAVE to weigh 54 lbs. All's I'm saying...
Also, the Z 2x10 in stock form could be the ticket. If you wanted a lighter version, then apply the above info to the 2x10. You could make that a 32-33 lb option with lighter speakers as well.
Lastly, another odd option with the Z 4x10 could be to take out 2 of the 10's, and use it as a Z 2x10 (diagonal or otherwise) rewired to 8 ohms. It'd also get the Z 4x10 down to around 40 lbs. Of course, you could load it back up whenever you've got a big gig, etc.
Options......
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Post by losangeles on Jul 30, 2014 10:10:04 GMT -7
You've given me a ton to think about, Fevzay!
Now I'm wondering if I could rewire my current slant cab to have the top half and bottom half work independently. Maybe I could wire in a switch that would "activate" the bottom two speakers? Of course, I'd have to be very careful to make sure that I'm plugged into the correct OHM jack on the back of the head before doing the switcheroo. That is a REALLY interesting idea. Doesn't solve the weight issue, but it definitely would bring my output to a much more reasonable volume for writing/brainstorming sessions.
Or maybe instead of a switch, I could just install another 1/4" jack and "plug in" the bottom pair when I'm ready to go to 11. Tthere's already a two plug parallel unit installed for adding a second stack.
While I'm at it, I can also turn the closed back into a convertible/open back. Oh me oh my. My head is spinning here with the possibilies!
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Post by Frankie Starr on Aug 2, 2014 9:18:33 GMT -7
One 15 inch is also a great sound, mine are pretty light too
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Post by losangeles on Aug 4, 2014 13:08:20 GMT -7
Thought I'd add a pic of the current tower of power.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 13:28:40 GMT -7
Very cool!!!
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Post by BW on Aug 17, 2014 10:08:55 GMT -7
Here's a clip with the 2X10 convertible (with the center back panel off...
And thru the 4X10 I borrowed from the lovely and talented John Priest when we were out w/ Gary Moore
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 5:57:25 GMT -7
Here's a clip with the 2X10 convertible (with the center back panel off... And thru the 4X10 I borrowed from the lovely and talented John Priest when we were out w/ Gary Moore Hey BW, First and foremost, you sound GREAT as always in both clips! Not sure you can sound bad through anything. Secondly, I'd like to know your thoughts on the differences between the two cabs in both sound and feel. I *think* that the 2x10 has the double baffle with the lens thing happening. I know the 4x10 is a single baffle. Seems like the 4x10 should feel bigger and looser relative to the 2x10. I've had two 4x10's, but have never played a 2x10. Also, if you don't mind sharing your EZG setting I'm sure we'd all love to know! Kind regards, Jordan
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Post by BW on Aug 21, 2014 16:34:56 GMT -7
I must say, the 4X10 is the bigger sounding of the two, especially with the amp turned up. Probably couldn't get away with it just anywhere. That said, the 2X10 is very usable in any situation, sounds great w/ a ghia head too! I like it best w/ the center panel off to let it breathe a little. And there is the weight factor, I would make sure I had a 2 wheeler handy to transport the 4X10, the 2X10 is very much more ol' dawg friendly. Hard to say what the settings are from memory, pretty standard I'd say, both volumes up over halfway to get the goods, treble probably a little over half, mid about 10 o'clock, bass way down or even off as EZG has a lot of low end just on its own! Reverb to taste. I'm gonna start using the EZG a little more (as opposed to MAZ Jr) on some of these gigs where I am being eclipsed by the rhythm section onstage, and still getting whined at by these house sound gargoyles and their Ipads sitting at the bar 'listening'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 4:57:18 GMT -7
I must say, the 4X10 is the bigger sounding of the two, especially with the amp turned up. Probably couldn't get away with it just anywhere. That said, the 2X10 is very usable in any situation, sounds great w/ a ghia head too! I like it best w/ the center panel off to let it breathe a little. And there is the weight factor, I would make sure I had a 2 wheeler handy to transport the 4X10, the 2X10 is very much more ol' dawg friendly. Hard to say what the settings are from memory, pretty standard I'd say, both volumes up over halfway to get the goods, treble probably a little over half, mid about 10 o'clock, bass way down or even off as EZG has a lot of low end just on its own! Reverb to taste. I'm gonna start using the EZG a little more (as opposed to MAZ Jr) on some of these gigs where I am being eclipsed by the rhythm section onstage, and still getting whined at by these house sound gargoyles and their Ipads sitting at the bar 'listening'. Thanks for chiming in! Good info on the cabs. I really need to try a Z 2x10. It's the only cab I haven't tried/owned/gigged. Surprisingly, even the 1x12 sounds good. I'm liking the WGS G12C/S. It's plenty of wattage to stay on the cleaner end (75W), but sounds good pushed. Definitely not as full on stage as other options, but it keeps the overall volume down. Plus, the WGS G12C/S is only around $75 new. I run my EZG's almost the same way. Volume's over 12:00 (I try to keep the volumes identical to one another; ie. 11/11, 12/12, 1/1, etc.). Bass is between 'OFF' and the first notch (on the older EZG; the newer EZG has a better range to play with). Middle is usually 9:00. Treble is between 12:30-1:30. Reverb to suite the venue; sometimes its OFF surprisingly!! Bud, I've said it before.....I live in Austin. I need to drive up to DFW to catch a show someday. Promise not to sit at the bar with an iPad. Haha.
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Post by BW on Aug 26, 2014 18:39:36 GMT -7
Well lemme know when you head this way!
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