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Post by rickyp on Sept 3, 2013 10:55:50 GMT -7
Just sent my Maz 18 NR back...I just can't get along with it. The lack of reverb and clean headroom killed it for me.
Thinking about replacing it with a Maz 38 Reverb...thoughts?
I'm really after that luscious blackface tone...not too concerned with natural overdrive of the amp...I want beautiful cleans, and use my pedals for dirt. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 11:06:22 GMT -7
If you want blackface, I'd be steering towards something fender voiced...not an EL-84 amp. JMHO.
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Post by Eddie on Sept 3, 2013 11:14:52 GMT -7
I agree with MattH. If you want the big bottle sound, then get a Z with something other than el84 power tubes.
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Post by rickyp on Sept 3, 2013 11:36:35 GMT -7
I agree with MattH. If you want the big bottle sound, then get a Z with something other than el84 power tubes. Problem is, that none of the 6v6 Z amps have reverb.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Sept 3, 2013 11:51:35 GMT -7
I think an EZG-50 would be right up your alley--very loud, significantly more clean headroom than a MAZ, and reverb too. There really aren't that many NICE 'blackface' type heads on the market... but no doubt the EZG is among the BEST.
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Post by "Z" Steve on Sept 3, 2013 13:31:49 GMT -7
I have a Z28 (which I know 22 watts isn't what your after) but I have a real nice verb pedal and it suits me just fine. Unless your after Fender surf type stuff (maybe an old Z Jazz 20/40?) the EZG with a verb pedal on your board would get you there easy enough. There are a lot of good ones out there - IF you want to stay in the 6V6 ballpark. I used to have a Maz 38 combo and it was glorious (but too heavy for me).
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Post by harry on Sept 4, 2013 4:38:36 GMT -7
I have a 38 verb and love it but wanted exactly what you stated and I found it in the EZG 50. Not only will it give you those Fender sounds but also much more!! The EZG kills every Fender I have ever known because of the tight bottom that Fenders do not possess plus the versatility and usability of the dials. You will not be disappointed I promise!! I love mine with the 4x10 cab. Hope this helps
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Post by doctorice on Sept 4, 2013 7:32:46 GMT -7
Another vote for the EZG-50, Dr Z's explicit take on a blackface sound. Alternative: JAZ 20/40, which is discontinued; a couple had been up on the Buy, Sell, Trade section recently.
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Post by charlieparks on Sept 7, 2013 13:26:17 GMT -7
I recently had the opportunity to play a 38 reverb side by side to a 18 NR. I have always been interested in hearing the differences first hand. Well, I was surprised at how much bigger, lush and fuller the 38 was. It totally killed it! Total different league of an amp IMO. On top of that depending on your speaker choice and cab coaxing black face tones is quite easy. The nice thing is the 38 makes improvements on the classic black face tone by smoothing out the top end and making it easier for digging in without fear of trebles spiking. I think it's a mistake to simply right off the maz as not having BF tone simply because its not 6v6 or 6l6. Whatever the doc does with those El84's is magic. I've heard similar blackface tones from El34's surprisingly on a Genz Benz El Diablo believe it or no, everyone was sure they were 6l6's but nope 34's! Check some of the posts on settings for black face tone on the maz there should be a bunch. Another thing , I was on a pretty big stage awhile back and they had a great vintage twin with one of the bands. The guy told me I could plug in if I wanted and I was pretty interested to hear myself what the difference would be compared to the maz. Well first off I was surprised at how similar they were in some regards, but then switching back the clear winner was the maz, better thicker low end and top,end without the unusable spiking treble often in BF amps. Front of house sound man quickly heard what i was hearing and voiced his pick "take that one!" That's my 2 cents.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Sept 7, 2013 13:41:12 GMT -7
My vote is for the EZG. it does a fantastic BF sound - only better!
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Post by Rik on Sept 7, 2013 16:25:15 GMT -7
EZG
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Post by Sam on Sept 8, 2013 10:23:55 GMT -7
I have a MAZ 38 NR and recently picked up a Mooer Shimverb to put in the effects loop. I'm quite pleased with the reverb and how close I can get to the deluxe reverb I used to have.
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Post by rickyp on Sept 8, 2013 10:38:49 GMT -7
I recently had the opportunity to play a 38 reverb side by side to a 18 NR. I have always been interested in hearing the differences first hand. Well, I was surprised at how much bigger, lush and fuller the 38 was. It totally killed it! Total different league of an amp IMO. On top of that depending on your speaker choice and cab coaxing black face tones is quite easy. The nice thing is the 38 makes improvements on the classic black face tone by smoothing out the top end and making it easier for digging in without fear of trebles spiking. I think it's a mistake to simply right off the maz as not having BF tone simply because its not 6v6 or 6l6. Whatever the doc does with those El84's is magic. I've heard similar blackface tones from El34's surprisingly on a Genz Benz El Diablo believe it or no, everyone was sure they were 6l6's but nope 34's! Check some of the posts on settings for black face tone on the maz there should be a bunch. Another thing , I was on a pretty big stage awhile back and they had a great vintage twin with one of the bands. The guy told me I could plug in if I wanted and I was pretty interested to hear myself what the difference would be compared to the maz. Well first off I was surprised at how similar they were in some regards, but then switching back the clear winner was the maz, better thicker low end and top,end without the unusable spiking treble often in BF amps. Front of house sound man quickly heard what i was hearing and voiced his pick "take that one!" That's my 2 cents. I'd like to agree with you...I've heard some EL84 amps that have had fender blackface type tones...for example, the blues jr. If that little amp can bust out some blackface cleans, certainly a Z can also! I'm on the hunt for a used Maz 38 Reverb, the sooner the better. Can't wait till my 30 days has passed so I can check the classifieds on here.
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Post by rickyp on Sept 9, 2013 7:17:28 GMT -7
Is the maz 38 1x12 any heavier than a Maz 18 1x12?
Dr. Z's site says no, but humbucker music's site says it is. I'd like to think that Z's site is correct, but I've found a few little discrepancies on there before, and I'm not 100% positive it's correct info.
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Post by harry on Sept 9, 2013 9:49:59 GMT -7
I recently had the opportunity to play a 38 reverb side by side to a 18 NR. I have always been interested in hearing the differences first hand. Well, I was surprised at how much bigger, lush and fuller the 38 was. It totally killed it! Total different league of an amp IMO. On top of that depending on your speaker choice and cab coaxing black face tones is quite easy. The nice thing is the 38 makes improvements on the classic black face tone by smoothing out the top end and making it easier for digging in without fear of trebles spiking. I think it's a mistake to simply right off the maz as not having BF tone simply because its not 6v6 or 6l6. Whatever the doc does with those El84's is magic. I've heard similar blackface tones from El34's surprisingly on a Genz Benz El Diablo believe it or no, everyone was sure they were 6l6's but nope 34's! Check some of the posts on settings for black face tone on the maz there should be a bunch. Another thing , I was on a pretty big stage awhile back and they had a great vintage twin with one of the bands. The guy told me I could plug in if I wanted and I was pretty interested to hear myself what the difference would be compared to the maz. Well first off I was surprised at how similar they were in some regards, but then switching back the clear winner was the maz, better thicker low end and top,end without the unusable spiking treble often in BF amps. Front of house sound man quickly heard what i was hearing and voiced his pick "take that one!" That's my 2 cents. I have to agree with Charlie regarding the Maz 38 reverb versus the Maz 18NR comparison. I have both these amps and find the 38 just sounds better, the 18NR is an great amp as well but when I A/B'd them on numerous occasions I always took the 38. Maybe 4 tubes are better than 2...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 12:14:10 GMT -7
The Maz 38 rocks.
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Post by rickyp on Sept 10, 2013 6:27:32 GMT -7
But is the 38 1x12 heavier than the 18 1x12?
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Post by harry on Sept 10, 2013 8:17:34 GMT -7
I would email the folks at Dr Z. I would guess that the 38 head might be heavier than the 18 head if it has beefier iron in it but I don't build'em so I can't be sure. Besides, how much heavier can it be?? I don't think this should be the defining factor for what it is worth. If it were me and a couple of pounds was an issue I would just pop a can of spinach before I had to take it to a gig; it's been known to work for one guy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 13:14:08 GMT -7
But is the 38 1x12 heavier than the 18 1x12? Probably. If it's an option a head coupled with a 1x12 helps ease some of the burden.
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Sept 10, 2013 14:53:11 GMT -7
The Z website shows the 18 and 38 112 combo to be the same weight. The 210 combo is also the same 47lbs.
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Post by harry on Sept 10, 2013 15:09:30 GMT -7
Both heads are 22 lbs; the human head weighs 8 lbs...
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Post by mickey on Sept 11, 2013 13:16:36 GMT -7
I've been a Maz Sr user for several years now. I was originally a little underwhelmed with the Jr. in comparison, not that it wasn't a great little amp, but the Sr just has more authority, solidity and tonally more weight. It's bigger sounding, and I don't just mean volume. It also does great blackface type tones, I don't mean the same, but in the ballpark, and for me better.
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Post by fishman on Sept 11, 2013 19:18:35 GMT -7
treb max, mids, off, bass maxed.....cut,master and vol to taste...
thats what I used when I had my 38 for Fender BF....not spot on but close enough to get by. The EZG is not a BF fender...I had one of those as well, nice amp but not a fender. Also had a SuperZ, Maz38, KT45, remedy, ezg,Stingray 2-12 and a few others...the 28 at lower volumes can cover some fender, cranked its more marshally sounding to me.. I am glad I found this thread as I am looking for annother MAZ38 but was considering an 18 but now back on the MAZ38. I have had alot of Z amps and it boiled down between the 28 and the 38 for me, only reason 38 wins is versatility and MV...and its just a great all around amp...so the hunt begins...anyone unloading a 38NR or even a reverb let me know...cash in hand...
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Post by rickyp on Sept 12, 2013 5:24:25 GMT -7
I don't mind a couple extra lbs in weight...but when one site says 47lbs, and another says 65lbs, its something that needs to be confirmed before I buy!
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Post by harry on Sept 12, 2013 7:34:08 GMT -7
I think that is the difference between 1x12 and 2x12 combo weights
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Post by harry on Sept 12, 2013 7:34:21 GMT -7
I think that is the difference between 1x12 and 2x12 combo weights
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Post by fishman on Sept 12, 2013 9:15:16 GMT -7
Great tone is heavy....
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Post by mickey on Sept 12, 2013 13:47:23 GMT -7
Get a head and cab...no weight problems.
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