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Post by DRem on May 12, 2013 12:46:24 GMT -7
Hi Guys wondered if can someone could answer a few questions about the dote. I'm a strat/tele and currently got a MAz 18nr head into a drz 1x12 cab.
I have listened to the demos and think that this amp sounds great. In order to get one I would have to sell my Maz! I play in a blues band and a couple of function bands too and from what I hear this amp can cover great cleans and overdrive tones.
some questions
1) Does the eq bypass jump up "too Much" to use it as a solo boost. The Maz eq bypass didn't work for me.
2) Eq bypass muddy the amp or change the tone in a big way? Again it did with the Maz
3) In the David Holt he describes the covers anything from Vox, Marshall and Fender. Chimey Cleans (Maz like) to overdrive tones like old marshall.
4) From vintage to modern on the video the gain goes up quite a lot. Did the settings on the amp change or can you experience that from just switching between the 2?
5) Can this be footswtichable?
6) Being a single coil player can I get to those overdrive tones easily (gig volume) as well good cleans with guitar volume?
7) I know it would be my decision but would you guys be tempted to sell the Maz to get one looking at my circumstances?
Thanks for your time at answering anyone of those questions! Cheers Guys
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on May 12, 2013 14:06:59 GMT -7
Good set of questions, and although I can't answer any of them, I would say that you would have to have an Airbrake or a Brake Lite to gig this amp with functions bands: this baby is 45 Watts as opposed to your Maz at 18 Watts, especially if you want the OD tones. Other than that, it does sound like an exceptional amp, and if my Remedy EQ Bypass is any comparison, MUCH more useful as a feature than on my (ex) Maz18. Looking forward to seeing a few answers from the lucky few
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Post by doctorice on May 12, 2013 18:00:32 GMT -7
Here are a few of my impressions based on a relatively limited amount of time with the Antidote. I say "limited" because there seems to be so much potential in the amp that I know I haven't teased out a lot of what it can do. The Baker and Holt videos illustrate this. 1. The amount of volume change doesn't seem like too much to me. I also have a MAZ, and I know what you've experienced there. However, I found that on the MAZ with some tweaking of knobs it was possible to lessen the apparent volume difference. The reason these bypasses add gain is that the tone controls -- I know this to be case for the MAZ and I assume it's so for the Antidote and Remedy -- are passive attenuators: they can't add gain. They subtract signal level coming out of the amp's front end in specific frequency ranges. As a result, if you have the tone knobs set fairly low, you'll likely hear a greater difference in volume when you bypass them. In contrast, set the knobs high and the difference will be lessened. For example, on the MAZ you can max TMB and there is still some additional gain when the bypass is engaged. 2. I don't hear the tone get muddy, but it does, naturally, sound "gainier". Of course, if you are getting a bright tone from relatively high settings of the treble and presence, you're going to lose that frequency tilt when you take the eq out of circuit. However, the great thing on the Anti and Rem is that you can use the Hi and Normal volumes to make significant tone adjustments. 3. I think the videos do show off the diverse voices the amp can achieve. I would say it's rooted heavily in the Marshall zone, but iirc old Marshalls were based off amps like the Fender tweed Bassman. 4. There is a volume increase when switching from vintage to modern. I think it's part an actual increase and part a more forward / elevated mid response. 5. Probably, but you'd likely void the warranty unless the Z shop did the work. 6. Anti responds quite well to guitar volume, as do all Zs. So, yes, you could work the amp to go from clean to OD. Let's be careful, though, about gig volume. The Antidote is quite loud, especially if you're running it to get amp OD rather than using a dirt pedal. For the small clubs gigs I typically play, I'd need a Brake Lite or Air Brake. 7. A very tough call. I don't think I could ever give up my MAZ, especially for use with a Strat. If you were only playing blues gigs, the Anti would work great. I think it would work fine for functions too, but unless you're playing really big places you probably wouldn't get to open the amp up. It will, of course, work great set for a clean sound at relatively low volume with pedals used for dirt and shading. But it would seem a shame to only use it that way. Not sure how much help this is. Importantly, I'm still forming impressions and learning about the amp, so keep that in mind. I'm sure several other owners will add in their $0.02.
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Post by jammergreg on May 12, 2013 21:21:50 GMT -7
The use of an Attenuator is key for me...I play low volume stuff and the amp works fine with my BL (if you adjust at full attenuation first) then adjust the amp to taste as per Dr Zs recommendation; I find you can do just about any low volume stuff. Today at a local bar they had many bands for a girl's 3erd bout w/ cancer, (I have been thru cancer once). Once is enough!!!!! God Bless her!
Our band played when the place was full of folks= no attenuation it was a blast and loud))))).
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Post by DRem on May 12, 2013 22:05:28 GMT -7
Here are a few of my impressions based on a relatively limited amount of time with the Antidote. I say "limited" because there seems to be so much potential in the amp that I know I haven't teased out a lot of what it can do. The Baker and Holt videos illustrate this. 1. The amount of volume change doesn't seem like too much to me. I also have a MAZ, and I know what you've experienced there. However, I found that on the MAZ with some tweaking of knobs it was possible to lessen the apparent volume difference. The reason these bypasses add gain is that the tone controls -- I know this to be case for the MAZ and I assume it's so for the Antidote and Remedy -- are passive attenuators: they can't add gain. They subtract signal level coming out of the amp's front end in specific frequency ranges. As a result, if you have the tone knobs set fairly low, you'll likely hear a greater difference in volume when you bypass them. In contrast, set the knobs high and the difference will be lessened. For example, on the MAZ you can max TMB and there is still some additional gain when the bypass is engaged. 2. I don't hear the tone get muddy, but it does, naturally, sound "gainier". Of course, if you are getting a bright tone from relatively high settings of the treble and presence, you're going to lose that frequency tilt when you take the eq out of circuit. However, the great thing on the Anti and Rem is that you can use the Hi and Normal volumes to make significant tone adjustments. 3. I think the videos do show off the diverse voices the amp can achieve. I would say it's rooted heavily in the Marshall zone, but iirc old Marshalls were based off amps like the Fender tweed Bassman. 4. There is a volume increase when switching from vintage to modern. I think it's part an actual increase and part a more forward / elevated mid response. 5. Probably, but you'd likely void the warranty unless the Z shop did the work. 6. Anti responds quite well to guitar volume, as do all Zs. So, yes, you could work the amp to go from clean to OD. Let's be careful, though, about gig volume. The Antidote is quite loud, especially if you're running it to get amp OD rather than using a dirt pedal. For the small clubs gigs I typically play, I'd need a Brake Lite or Air Brake. 7. A very tough call. I don't think I could ever give up my MAZ, especially for use with a Strat. If you were only playing blues gigs, the Anti would work great. I think it would work fine for functions too, but unless you're playing really big places you probably wouldn't get to open the amp up. It will, of course, work great set for a clean sound at relatively low volume with pedals used for dirt and shading. But it would seem a shame to only use it that way. Not sure how much help this is. Importantly, I'm still forming impressions and learning about the amp, so keep that in mind. I'm sure several other owners will add in their $0.02. thats great guys thanks for your time answering my questions! I think I may have to go up to peaches guitar and try one out. Get an airbrake/bl on it to see what i can achieve. Looks like it could be a great purchase but one I may end up regretting if I sold the maz....
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 23:30:48 GMT -7
You might want to check out the remedy at least with it you can use the MV and the tone bypass and no attenuator. It has some of the best cleans I have ever heard in any amp. The overdrive you get out of it is pure rock and roll. You also have the option of 20/40 watts. With the MV you will not have to worry at all.
Plus the tone bypass is very smooth unlike the tone bypass on the maz jr there is no huge jump and muddy tone. The new remedy with the MV and tone bypass is the perfect gigging amp. I cannot speak on the antidote I never played one but based on its rave reviews Im sure its a great amp. It will be much louder then that maz jr though.
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Post by DRem on May 13, 2013 4:54:29 GMT -7
Didn't think of the remedy. So the cleans are good and does it tick all the boxes for blue and function band material?
Is there any good videos of the remedy with a strat with up to date modded remedy? be interested to hear the cleans and the ease of getting overdriven sounds. Would you need a OD pedal to get both sounds still?
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Post by doctorice on May 13, 2013 7:04:23 GMT -7
^^^
The Remedy is a great amp too. It plays in the same zone as the Antidote, but it's different. I'd say the Remedy's tonal range is not quite as broad as the Antidote, and it sounds different. (Like different models of Marshall amps sound different.) However, the Remedy's power switching and Master Volume (on the latest models) might be a better fit for your multiple bands.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 9:39:44 GMT -7
You can set the Remedy up to be able to go from clean to a nice crunch with the twist of your master volume. Add the tone bypass switch and you get a nice boost to the signal that is very smooth. I have forgot it was even on sometimes its that subtle. It also works great with pedals too. I have a pretty nice pedal board. Since I got the new Remedy I have enjoyed plugging straight into it. No effects. The tone is so rich sounding and the touch,response and feel of the guitar and amp is so good Its almost like you don't want anything else to interfere with it. Its def as the Doc stated a Marshall tone. Still the cleans are much better then any of the Marshalls I have owned. One of the main reasons I suggested the Remedy to you is because of the Master volume. If you get the antidote you will have to use an attenuator and thats just another thing you have to carry to the gig. It may be more versatile for you though so its really your call.
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Post by jammergreg on May 13, 2013 15:43:46 GMT -7
You can set the Remedy up to be able to go from clean to a nice crunch with the twist of your master volume. Add the tone bypass switch and you get a nice boost to the signal that is very smooth. I have forgot it was even on sometimes its that subtle. It also works great with pedals too. I have a pretty nice pedal board. Since I got the new Remedy I have enjoyed plugging straight into it. No effects. The tone is so rich sounding and the touch,response and feel of the guitar and amp is so good Its almost like you don't want anything else to interfere with it. Its def as the Doc stated a Marshall tone. Still the cleans are much better then any of the Marshalls I have owned. One of the main reasons I suggested the Remedy to you is because of the Master volume. If you get the antidote you will have to use an attenuator and thats just another thing you have to carry to the gig. It may be more versatile for you though so its really your call. The bass response on the Dote' is a cut above the Rem', and so is the Chime. They are both among the Top 3 amps I've ever owned in 45 years of playing and 60 amps later. The Rem's bass is just like my 65Amps Ventura with pedals they are very similar and with no pedals Rem rules.
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Post by DRem on May 13, 2013 16:01:26 GMT -7
Ok would the antidote with a master volume and half watt switch be the ultimate amp? And to top it off a footswitchable vintage/modern and tone bypass.
Do you think any of those would happen?
If I got the dote I would Need an airbrake by the sounds of it. So it goes out of my price league. The remedy looks great too....
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on May 13, 2013 17:30:12 GMT -7
Ok would the antidote with a master volume and half watt switch be the ultimate amp? And to top it off a footswitchable vintage/modern and tone bypass. Do you think any of those would happen? If I got the dote I would Need an airbrake by the sounds of it. So it goes out of my price league. The remedy looks great too.... Doc tested the MV mod and did not like what it did to the tone - doubt you'll see that in production though he might do it as a factory mod. No footswitchable Vintage/Modern in the cards though the tone bypass is foot switchable.
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Post by jammergreg on May 16, 2013 20:38:54 GMT -7
If Doc finds mods'' later on'' that keep the sounding fantastic you probably could have it done to your Antidote if you get one.
I'm having GREAT luck w/ the Dote' and a Attenuator. I'm just using a 1x12 w/ a 16 ohm G12H in open-back cab.
Loving it to say the least, at small venues too. If you follow Dr Zs advice on how to use an Attenuator properly you should be good to go
with the Dote. A new Remedy ''No Need'' for the BL. if you get an older Rem I needed the BL.
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Post by jammergreg on May 22, 2013 23:28:30 GMT -7
Just did a Wednesday Jam with my other amp (not the Dote') My old #1 ....and I missed the Antidote. It was with a LouD))) rock band and I'll never leave home in my rock band without my ( new) #1 the ANTIDOTE again.
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