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Post by Lefty on Sept 10, 2006 17:52:32 GMT -7
Those of us who have Z's with the Dr's 10's don't shop & swap for speakers nearly as much of those with 12's...why is that? No judgement, just an observation.
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Post by billyguitar on Sept 10, 2006 18:51:19 GMT -7
Zs tens sound great. No one part of the sonic spectrum is exaggerated. My 2 x 10 cab is very efficient and has tons of bass available. I know it's more efficient than a 1 x 12 cab I have with an EV in it. I think there are quite a few different 10s that a guy could try. One of these days I'm going to try some alnico 10s but that's more for my amusement than trying to compensate for any shorcomings from the Z 10s because there really aren't any. One time at a store I was a/bing the 2x10 cab with some other Z cabs, a 1 x 12 and and a 4 x 10. The 2 x 10 had the strongest low mids. I heard that and I knew I wanted one.
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Post by Lefty on Sept 11, 2006 6:10:56 GMT -7
I agree with you corey re: smaller choices of 10's. My thoughts are I always like multiple speakers. That one reason I go with 10's. Instead of a soloist, you have a duet in harmony complimenting each other. And you can cram 2 10's into a package that will only take 1 12. Not to mention weight.
Z's 10's are a mix of both Brit and US. "On the Z 10 inch speaker, I utilize an English made cone and voice coil, along with a basket and magnet from Eminence."
BUT on the other side of the coin you have cats like BW who use a Maz Sr. 1x12 and it simply kicks butt!
Also keep in mind Z's 10 cabs use "lens" technology making them sound bigger and project better. I need to find a Z cab with 12's (or 1x12) to give it a try, just to quench my thirst. Maybe my next stop should be a Z 4x10.
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Post by rcrecelius on Sept 11, 2006 7:44:48 GMT -7
Heres an observation Ive made recently... IF you are into swapping speakers, make sure you play each speaker in several different environments before you rule it out. I tried a Tonker earlier this year but took it out because I thought it was too much low end for me. Well, now that Ive got my Z28 back(after putting power tubes in wrong and frying screen grid resistors- DOH), I thought I'd try it one more time before deciding to get rid of it. First impression(guess that would be the 2nd 1st impression) was that its not as"low endy" as I remembered and the high sensitivity allows me to play the Z28 without pedals for my clean sound and keep up pretty good at high volumes...but I still wasnt sold...until Sat night. Played an outdoor street dance, set up on the sidewalk(rock/brick wall behind me) and I was able to stand a little farther away from my amp and that Tonker had a good clear sound that was pretty well balanced...good highs and lows but most importantly for me being a tele player, the low strings still had good clarity/bite to em. Overall, I am now inmpressed enough with the Tonker that I think I'll keep it, and maybe even try a TonkerLite to see how it compares.
I wonder how many people are still searching for that perfect sound because they didnt keep a speaker long enough to see what it could really do in different situations?
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Post by Lefty on Sept 11, 2006 7:57:55 GMT -7
But with the same logic, who wants their amp to sound different in different situations. Granted they all do to some extent, unless your a bedroom player. Also factor in the break in period, some speakers take longer to break in than others.
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Post by rcrecelius on Sept 11, 2006 9:38:38 GMT -7
But with the same logic, who wants their amp to sound different in different situations. Granted they all do to some extent, unless your a bedroom player. Also factor in the break in period, some speakers take longer to break in than others. Heck, nobody wants it to sound different night to night but in the real world, it does. One night, you may be so close to your amp that you dont hear it properly...for me that is the case most of the time. Saturday, I was maybe 4 foot in front of the amp and the clarity was night/day different from our usual bar gigs...and I truly think the distance from the amp was a bigger factor than the surroundings(outside rock/brick walls vs wood paneling). In the bars, I have stepped out away from the amp before just to get an idea of what it really sounds like and the clarity is there...of course I cant just stand out there cause the dancers would run over me! I guess my point is that in some circumstances, we have to "accept" the fact that we are not always in the "ideal" position to hear our amps the way we want to.
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Post by billyguitar on Sept 11, 2006 10:30:39 GMT -7
Usually my amp is one short step back. That's just the way it is and has been for years. I've even entertained the idea of getting a good 8" speaker in a little cab and putting it on top of my amp, sort of a monitor. I'm sure it wouldn't work too well so I never did it. Maybe with an L-pad on it so I could turn it down. hmmmm......................................
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Post by rcrecelius on Sept 11, 2006 14:16:55 GMT -7
Maybe with an L-pad on it so I could turn it down. hmmmm...................................... What is an L pad? Speaker volume control maybe?
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Post by billyguitar on Sept 11, 2006 15:40:30 GMT -7
Yea, that's what it is. Kind of an out of date thing now. Sorry about using archaic terms.
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Post by Matt H. on Sept 12, 2006 5:25:10 GMT -7
Those Z 10's do sound awesome! I would never consider changing them. Maybe someday The Doc will make a 12" that is as addictive as his 10's.
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Post by johnnyl on Sept 13, 2006 7:14:46 GMT -7
The Z 10's have a really smooth, reedy sounding mid-range (almost like a greenback). I've got 2 of them in an Earcandy cab for my Ghia & 1 in my Reverend Goblin. I love em. I just wish I could find a 12" I liked as much...
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Post by Curt on Sept 13, 2006 8:10:38 GMT -7
The Z 10's have a really smooth, reedy sounding mid-range ( :almost like a greenback). I've got 2 of them in an Earcandy cab for my Ghia & 1 in my Reverend Goblin. I love em. I just wish I could find a 12" I liked as much... And i have one in a box in tha garage !!!! That some day is to find a home in a Princeton Reverb
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Post by Laroosco!! on Sept 13, 2006 8:36:41 GMT -7
I'd love to play a Route 66 thru a Z 4x10 cab
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Post by taswegian on Sept 13, 2006 8:40:07 GMT -7
I have and didn't like it much, but then realized one of the Z speakers wasn't working. I don't think the owner of the cab has got it fixed yet either. I'm keen to hear that cab in proper working order.
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Post by Telemanic on Sept 13, 2006 15:26:15 GMT -7
I too like the doc's 10's, but i think it's also a factor that there's a zillion 12 choices out there, and it's just too easy to want to try a swap. seems to me as well that the 12's for some reason seem to more readily accentuate any negatives they may posess.
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