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Post by squeallydan on Mar 23, 2006 12:09:28 GMT -7
I called a company I saw on E-bay to order a speaker for a 1x12 cab. I am having built. I had decided to try the Eminenece Legend 121. The guy (who was very helpful & seemed knowledgable) asked my how many watts my amp was. I told him I had a Maz Sr. and it was 38 watts. First, he had never heard of Dr. Z. He went to the website while I was talking to him and sounded excited by what he was looking at. Anyways he was afraid that running a 150 watt speaker with a 38 watt amp may be hard on the amp and he recommended a 50 watt speaker. What do you guys think? Can the Maz handle such a speaker? I know BUddy uses a Swamp Thang and its also 150 watts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2006 12:17:48 GMT -7
The Maz can totally handle that speaker but keep in mind that with 150 watts you are getting more of the amp than the speaker in the overall sound. It also makes the Maz38 have more headroom, meaning it will need to be cranked a lot louder to get to the sweet spot. A 50 watt speaker would get you there quicker, and have more to do with the overall sound because the speaker will add it's mojo when it starts being pushed. A 150 watt speaker will add it's mojo too but won't really get pushed by the amp due to it being more efficient.
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Post by kruzty on Mar 23, 2006 12:43:55 GMT -7
How would power rating of a speaker affect the way an amp runs? I think the only thing you need to be concerned about is the impedence. I have a Texas Heat that is rated at 150W and it works quite well with my Ghia.
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Post by Curt on Mar 23, 2006 12:49:08 GMT -7
It won't really effect "how the amp runs", just that the speaker won't be pushed to break up when rated that much higher than the amp.
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Post by squeallydan on Mar 23, 2006 12:54:12 GMT -7
I'm kinda wanting a lot of clean haedroom, so I might prefer the 150 watt speaker.
I emailed the Z website and got a response saying that the 75 watt Celestion G12T75 may be a better choice. What do you guys think?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2006 12:57:09 GMT -7
The celestion seems to be a good middle ground wattage wise. If the Doc recommended it I am sure you can't go wrong. Have you thought about going with the Weber Silver Bell? I really dug JChance's clips with his Maz38 and that speaker.
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Post by kruzty on Mar 23, 2006 12:58:11 GMT -7
It sounded like someone told squeallydan that it could hurt the amp (I guess that's what I meant by "runs"). I don't think that is the case.
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Post by Telemanic on Mar 23, 2006 13:21:42 GMT -7
Hello again squeallydan, Yeah i agree with everyone else, not sure who you talked to and there base of amp knowledge, in the hi-fi world you could have a situation where you have to much speaker for a power amp section, as far as efficiency goes, and you could get distortion that would not be desirable, as the amp is clipping to try and drive the speaker. But this is completely different. I am running a 121 legend with my 32 watt 66, and it sounds, well... perfect for me. I to, like a fairly clean speaker, but have no problem driving the 121 when i'm cranked, it IS a clean threshold thing with the wattage. I just prefer the sound of the amp breakup over speaker breakup. But then again, old marshalls and some small combos, that speaker breakup is part of THE sound. The 121 is very "honest" in it's responce curve. I prefer it's natural sounding mids, but it can be driven into some of that brittish glory. Did you get a chance to talk to Tim at earcandy ? i still think he can articulate the sonic differences bettween the celestion and the Emi better than anyone i know
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Post by squeallydan on Mar 23, 2006 13:32:06 GMT -7
Tim actually recommended the 121
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 23, 2006 13:38:00 GMT -7
I think I would be skeptical of anything that guy said. If you want speaker breakup get a lower wattage speaker, if you don't get a higher wattage speaker. Either kind can have high or low efficiency which can effect how much acoustic output you'll get from the speaker. Other than that you want to know what sort of overall tone you want from the speaker. Myself, I'd rather use the Eminence than the G12T75. Z usually sends the Maz 38 out with a G12H30. Most guys like that fine. There's a zillion speakers to choose from. Good luck!
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Post by Telemanic on Mar 23, 2006 13:46:10 GMT -7
Cool,... i think you'll like it. I find my maz so versatile style wise, that i think the 121 will hopefully be a great choice in that amp. Let me know how you like it, i've mostly been on my 66 or 28, but will get back to the maz and change out the celestion when i can get to it. Thanx
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Post by Telemanic on Mar 23, 2006 14:00:18 GMT -7
I agree Kahuna, i only brought up the efficiency to make a point that whoever he spoke to MAY have been speaking from a background in stereo hi-fi, where you can have a mismatch if your running a small wattage amp with low efficiency speakers, which tend to be high power handling. I dunno, just guessing what he was trying to talk about... Certainly doesnt matter for guitar anyway.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 23, 2006 14:57:12 GMT -7
I called a company I saw on E-bay to order a speaker for a 1x12 cab. I am having built. I had decided to try the Eminenece Legend 121. The guy (who was very helpful & seemed knowledgable) asked my how many watts my amp was. I told him I had a Maz Sr. and it was 38 watts. First, he had never heard of Dr. Z. He went to the website while I was talking to him and sounded excited by what he was looking at. Anyways he was afraid that running a 150 watt speaker with a 38 watt amp may be hard on the amp and he recommended a 50 watt speaker. What do you guys think? Can the Maz handle such a speaker? I know BUddy uses a Swamp Thang and its also 150 watts. I think that guy's in the wrong business...
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Post by squeallydan on Mar 23, 2006 15:39:08 GMT -7
I bought the Legend 121. Can't wait! I think the cabinet will be ready late next week. Can't wait to hear it with my new Maz Sr.
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Post by guitarman1 on May 9, 2006 12:10:39 GMT -7
There is little correlation between speaker "break up" and wattage, although there is a correlation between speaker "burn up" and wattage.
Just because a speaker can handle 60 watts doesn't mean it will break up later than a 30 watt speaker. Voice coil and cone design have much more to do with break up than wattage ratings.
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