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Post by guitarstan on Mar 22, 2006 7:22:56 GMT -7
Much discussion about these two speaker combos has taken place on this Forum, many sound clips exist but few delineate the many components that make up the recordings. The Webers appear to be the favorites for those who can afford them the Eminence for those with tighter wallets!? I assume if most could afford Webers then most would own Webers ie Blue Dogs/Silver Bells be they Ceramic or Alnico. I just ordered a pair of Webers without telling the wife ;D; soon I shall experience first hand the magic many of you speak of, I can't wait. In the mean time, can anyone offer some thoughts on the Tonker/Swamp Thang combo? What makes this a hot combination and what kind of player does it appeal to? So far I gather it appeals to really loud players who like good tone, is there more to it than that? Thanks for any thoughts? Talk me out of ordering another set of boxes to explain to the wife ;D.
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Post by Telemanic on Mar 22, 2006 8:39:15 GMT -7
I'm a big fan of the Eminence 121 legend, i've listened or owned many others over the recent past and it does it for me. But, that being said there's so many flavors availible depending on your core style, rig, guitar etc. I recomend talking to TIM at earcandycabs.com He knows the Eminence line better than anyone i know. All he does is build cabs and has and does put anything availible in them, so he's got a great perspective on comparisons. He really listens to what your trying to achieve and then articulates well, the different choices.
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Post by Telemanic on Mar 22, 2006 12:14:13 GMT -7
I think that as far as covering the sonic spectrum lows to highs, i think your on a good track. Either the Webers duo or the eminence combo will give you great coverage, one speaker overlapping the other. The difference i think you might find is in the headroom dept. The Eminence duo are big wattage, and i feel would perhaps stay cleaner louder , if that makes sense. You would have to drive them harder to get some speaker break-up if thats what your looking for. I like a little speaker drive when i want it, and like the webers for that, or my choice a Eminence 121/125 combo. (much like the tonker/swamp, only less colored highs to lows, and easier to drive a bit.
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Post by johnnyl on Mar 22, 2006 22:27:46 GMT -7
Hey tele, I talked to Tim at Earcandy today - ordered a 2x10 from him - really knowledgable & nice guy.
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Post by Telemanic on Mar 23, 2006 13:34:49 GMT -7
Glad to here it Johnny, Yeah he's great. I dont know where this guy came from, but i tell ya, i hate to heap praise on someone else on the Z site, but i have NEVER heard cabs that are so musical. I've not heard his 2-10 so let me know how it sounds when you get it. i'm sure it will kill as well! what speaks did you get?
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Post by johnnyl on Mar 23, 2006 14:03:55 GMT -7
another forum member was kind enough to sell me his spare Z 10"s
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Post by Telemanic on Mar 23, 2006 14:49:10 GMT -7
Cool, hey just noticed your a Chi-towner, my best bud is Stevie Starlite, been doin his x-rated, un-pc thing for 30 years now. Just curious if youve caught him? I'm out with him most every weekend and he's kind enough to have me up every so often. One of a kind this guy, we have big laughs!
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Post by guitarman1 on May 9, 2006 11:54:13 GMT -7
Much discussion about these two speaker combos has taken place on this Forum, many sound clips exist but few delineate the many components that make up the recordings. The Webers appear to be the favorites for those who can afford them the Eminence for those with tighter wallets!? I assume if most could afford Webers then most would own Webers ie Blue Dogs/Silver Bells be they Ceramic or Alnico. I just ordered a pair of Webers without telling the wife ;D; soon I shall experience first hand the magic many of you speak of, I can't wait. In the mean time, can anyone offer some thoughts on the Tonker/Swamp Thang combo? What makes this a hot combination and what kind of player does it appeal to? So far I gather it appeals to really loud players who like good tone, is there more to it than that? Thanks for any thoughts? Talk me out of ordering another set of boxes to explain to the wife ;D. For me, money has nothing to do with it. It's all about tone! I've tried a number of speakers, including a Weber Blue ceramic, in my Maz Sr. 1x12 and the Tonker and the Swamp Thang sound "larger" than any others. They make my amp sound closer to a 2x12 than the rest. I prefer the tone of the Tonker vs. the Swamp Thang. The Webers are excellent speakers and if I had a 2x12 cab or combo, I might be using them instead. The tonker just gets the tone & fullness I want in this application. They also stay clean at high volume, while the Webers break up much earlier. I am not using the Tonker because it's "louder" and I actually wish it was less sensitive sometimes. Don't dismiss Eminence speakers because of lower pricing, as they are by no means "bargain bin" speakers. If the Tonker were more money than a Weber, I'd still be using the Tonker. Oh yeah...the Tonker has NO cone cry.
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Post by Greg G. on May 11, 2006 13:38:02 GMT -7
Much discussion about these two speaker combos has taken place on this Forum, many sound clips exist but few delineate the many components that make up the recordings. The Webers appear to be the favorites for those who can afford them the Eminence for those with tighter wallets!? I assume if most could afford Webers then most would own Webers ie Blue Dogs/Silver Bells be they Ceramic or Alnico. I just ordered a pair of Webers without telling the wife ;D; soon I shall experience first hand the magic many of you speak of, I can't wait. In the mean time, can anyone offer some thoughts on the Tonker/Swamp Thang combo? What makes this a hot combination and what kind of player does it appeal to? So far I gather it appeals to really loud players who like good tone, is there more to it than that? Thanks for any thoughts? Talk me out of ordering another set of boxes to explain to the wife ;D. For me, money has nothing to do with it. It's all about tone! I've tried a number of speakers, including a Weber Blue ceramic, in my Maz Sr. 1x12 and the Tonker and the Swamp Thang sound "larger" than any others. They make my amp sound closer to a 2x12 than the rest. I prefer the tone of the Tonker vs. the Swamp Thang. The Webers are excellent speakers and if I had a 2x12 cab or combo, I might be using them instead. The tonker just gets the tone & fullness I want in this application. They also stay clean at high volume, while the Webers break up much earlier. I am not using the Tonker because it's "louder" and I actually wish it was less sensitive sometimes. Don't dismiss Eminence speakers because of lower pricing, as they are by no means "bargain bin" speakers. If the Tonker were more money than a Weber, I'd still be using the Tonker. Oh yeah...the Tonker has NO cone cry. I couldn't agree more. The Tonker in a 1x12 cab is the closest sonding setup to a 2x12 that I've ever heard. The sound is incredibly round and large. I just received a Weber AlNiCo 50w Blue Dog and I prefer it with my Stingray over the Tonker just because it tames the clean and detailed highend, but the Tonker with my Maz Jr. is a hard 1x12 speaker to beat.
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Post by guitarman1 on May 11, 2006 13:57:10 GMT -7
For me, money has nothing to do with it. It's all about tone! I've tried a number of speakers, including a Weber Blue ceramic, in my Maz Sr. 1x12 and the Tonker and the Swamp Thang sound "larger" than any others. They make my amp sound closer to a 2x12 than the rest. I prefer the tone of the Tonker vs. the Swamp Thang. The Webers are excellent speakers and if I had a 2x12 cab or combo, I might be using them instead. The tonker just gets the tone & fullness I want in this application. They also stay clean at high volume, while the Webers break up much earlier. I am not using the Tonker because it's "louder" and I actually wish it was less sensitive sometimes. Don't dismiss Eminence speakers because of lower pricing, as they are by no means "bargain bin" speakers. If the Tonker were more money than a Weber, I'd still be using the Tonker. Oh yeah...the Tonker has NO cone cry. I couldn't agree more. The Tonker in a 1x12 cab is the closest sonding setup to a 2x12 that I've ever heard. The sound is incredibly round and large. I just received a Weber AlNiCo 50w Blue Dog and I prefer it with my Stingray over the Tonker just because it tames the clean and detailed highend, but the Tonker with my Maz Jr. is a hard 1x12 speaker to beat. I'm in the same situation as you tonzealot. I just got a RX ES and the Tonker is too bright for it. I'm building a 2x12 cab and am looking for something to tone it down a bit. Please let me know how the Silver Bell works out.
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Post by prowler on May 11, 2006 15:39:18 GMT -7
I have a Silver Bell on order for my 1x12 cab. Does anyone know if the Silver Bell was voiced to sound like some classic speaker?
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Post by Greg G. on May 11, 2006 21:54:01 GMT -7
I have a Silver Bell on order for my 1x12 cab. Does anyone know if the Silver Bell was voiced to sound like some classic speaker? On Weber's site the only description is "Classic Marshall tone", but which one?
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Post by guitarman1 on May 12, 2006 6:12:18 GMT -7
I've read on different forums that it is Ted's version of an original Greenback. I've seen this mentioned a few times buy some different guys, but I don't know how true it is.
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Post by prowler on May 12, 2006 6:23:42 GMT -7
Good, thats exactly what I was hoping.
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