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Post by brando on Mar 8, 2006 20:01:08 GMT -7
I have a question that hopefully somebody can help with... I use a Z-Best open back 2x12 with 15 watt Celestion Blues, but wonder if that configuration would be able to hold it's own with say for example, a 6545 or other Marshall-esque type amps? I assume there's preference involved, but as a rule of thumb, how would it hold up???
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2006 20:27:46 GMT -7
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Post by brando on Mar 8, 2006 20:51:37 GMT -7
Thanks Aruntang for the info! That makes sense, but always want to get other opinions. I'm really enjoy Voxy amps, hence I got a Stingray, but there's this other side of me that just craves the huge Plexi Marshall sound. You confirmed my suspicions that someday I'm going to have to break down spend some dough. I've played through a Mojave Peacemaker and a '74 Marshall Bassman and few other Plexi's, so I basically screwed myself. Have you tried the 6545?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2006 22:11:15 GMT -7
I know what you mean Brando. I have played the new handwired 100watt plexi and nothing compares to the power and tone of that sound. Not necessarily practical mind you but great nonetheless. I used to own a Roccaforte HG100 but faced the same problem with that. To me 50watts is the perfect amount of power for a marshally amp. I hope the Doc brings back the SRZ-65 soon. I have not played the 6545 but I know enough about the amps that are a part of the sound that amp creates, to know that it rocks. I personally would like just the 65 side in an amp hence why I would like to own a SRZ-65 one day. I have heard great things about Greg Germino and the Lead 55. He also has the Lead55LV(low voltage) model that breaks up a little faster. His amps are supposed to be great renditions of classic Marshall Plexis. I have heard that the Delta88 can get some great plexi sounds as well. Just listen to Michael Burks.
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Post by terryg on Mar 9, 2006 10:13:59 GMT -7
The 6545 is probably my favorite amp, but it's so big sounding and powerful that I won't use it in my current situation. The ghia and z28 are like little bros to it. I'm thinking it could be making more like 60-70watts, though.
If (God forbid) I had to have just one Z, it...nevermind, I don't even want to think about it.
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Post by zdogma on Mar 10, 2006 7:10:25 GMT -7
I like the 6545, but it is REALLY loud. Too loud to be usable for me. It is a nice marshally sound. If you really like plexi's though, I would go with a handwired copy-mojave, Germino, Wizard. All slightly different but excellent. There's a certain strange appeal to the plexi with the crappy tone control and the wierd inputs and bridging. The Z is too well engineered to truly imitate the plexi.
I agree with Arun that none of those amps would be a safe match thru 2 alnico blues.
Not sure how much wattage you need, but the Mojave coyote is really a great 12 watt amp, and is closer to the plexi sound than most of the big ones, and you could easily run that thru your blues.
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Post by brando on Mar 11, 2006 19:42:29 GMT -7
A few years back, I was in California and got to spend an entire afternoon with Victor Mason of Mojave. I ended up A/Bing 5 vintage AC30s (lined up in a row) and one of his protoype Sidewinders. The Sidewinder came close to the Voxes, but had a little more 'Marshall' in it. He had a Coyote there too, which I didn't play, but now wish I did (that amp had just returned from Eric Johnson and Peter Frampton!). THEN, I got to play through a Peacemaker, which at that time didn't even have a head cab for it yet and A/B's that with a '67 Plexi. Sounded like EVH had just plugged in. Unreal. Needless to say, I walked out with Vox. So much for window shopping... I think I'm just going to wait and hope Doc puts the SRZ-65 back in production.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2006 21:19:19 GMT -7
Brando wrote: I think I'm just going to wait and hope Doc puts the SRZ-65 back in production.
Ditto!
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Post by cementman on Mar 12, 2006 8:53:36 GMT -7
i have agonized about this one at times. my son needs a low to mid volume marshall type high gain amp, i have owned several z's and always wanted to pull the trigger on a z 6545 ( ihad a kt45 and loved it),,, as for 30 watt marshall type amps, i did buy an allen brown sugar which is a very loud amp that can be set up to sound like early marshall, i am happy with it, but aesthetically it is not an amp my son would play. my next amp will be a z. i have a maz 38 senior 2/12 and an allen brown sugar and a goodsell super 17. have owned a route 66, carmen ghia, z-28 (amazing with a humbucker), kt45. dr z will still make a 65 to order, will he not? i love the idea of 2 el34 tubes and an ef86 that gets you into two seperate channels. marshall and hi-watt. then you have to think speakers for it.
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Post by Curt on Mar 14, 2006 11:17:45 GMT -7
Brando, Try a Z-28 dimed with 'buckers, killer Marshalleqe tone Also check one of my Texas bretheren, Sewell Amplification, little known, killer amps, he makes what he calls "TexaPlex" from 25 watts on up, KILLER amps. He also does the Tweed thing with the "Classic" line and Blackfaceish with the "TexaVerb" series. Doug Sewell is a way cool guy, very helpfull. Virtually ALL of the Txas alt/ Country dudes are playing them these day's with good reason. I'm jonesin for a 25 watt 1x12 TexaPlex my self.
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Post by brando on Mar 14, 2006 20:24:14 GMT -7
Brando, Try a Z-28 dimed with 'buckers, killer Marshalleqe tone Also check one of my Texas bretheren, Sewell Amplification, little known, killer amps, he makes what he calls "TexaPlex" from 25 watts on up, KILLER amps. He also does the Tweed thing with the "Classic" line and Blackfaceish with the "TexaVerb" series. Doug Sewell is a way cool guy, very helpfull. Virtually ALL of the Txas alt/ Country dudes are playing them these day's with good reason. I'm jonesin for a 25 watt 1x12 TexaPlex my self. Thanks for the suggestion Tele62. I wish I could hear the TexaPlex too. So many amps... ugh. When you say the Z-28 achieves the Marshallesque tone, what kind of Marshall (era, model) would you say it approaches?
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Post by Curt on Mar 15, 2006 12:17:37 GMT -7
Brando, Try a Z-28 dimed with 'buckers, killer Marshalleqe tone Also check one of my Texas bretheren, Sewell Amplification, little known, killer amps, he makes what he calls "TexaPlex" from 25 watts on up, KILLER amps. He also does the Tweed thing with the "Classic" line and Blackfaceish with the "TexaVerb" series. Doug Sewell is a way cool guy, very helpfull. Virtually ALL of the Txas alt/ Country dudes are playing them these day's with good reason. I'm jonesin for a 25 watt 1x12 TexaPlex my self. Thanks for the suggestion Tele62. I wish I could hear the TexaPlex too. So many amps... ugh. When you say the Z-28 achieves the Marshallesque tone, what kind of Marshall (era, model) would you say it approaches? Well I'm no Marshall expert, but I'd say Plexi style, Just full fat tube driven joy To me a 28 is not special unless cranked. then they are real special, Like a 66 with a little less bottom, a little more top sizzle and more gain IMO, IF I could gig at those levels that is THE amp period, wonderful sustain, etc. an air brake works well for me but I have to go to 4 !!!
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