RedWire75
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Post by RedWire75 on Dec 13, 2005 9:57:39 GMT -7
So has anyone tried replacing the speaker in the Z-Best w/ Greenbacks? One or both? And if you did just one, which speaker did you swap the Greenback with. I'm thinking it would sound pretty good loaded with 2 Greebacks but it may make it a quieter cab. Which I don't need....
Opinions?
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Post by G'OlPeachPhan on Dec 13, 2005 13:25:27 GMT -7
I haven't tried it, but it will without question make it quieter than the stock H30/V30 speaker combination, as Greenbacks only have a 97db senstivity spec (I think both the H30 and V30 are 100db sensitivity).
I can't remember where I read this, and I'm not sure what context it was in, but I remember reading that two greenbacks in the Z-Best is a fave of the good Dr. Please excuse me if this is out of context or incorrect!
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Post by Laroosco!! on Dec 18, 2005 22:37:13 GMT -7
My Z Best has 2 G12H30's in it right now, but I haave a GB I want to try in tthere. A frieend of mine is giving me a couple V30's too so I'm gonna miz and match like crazy.
I'll let y'all know what I find out.
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berre
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Post by berre on Dec 19, 2005 7:09:55 GMT -7
Hi guys !
I have asked this before and didn't get any good answer... how would you describe the sound difference between a Z-Best cab and a Marshall 4x12" cab loaded the same celestions..... ??
please help me out 'cause I want a good cab, I find my Route66 not sounding to good with a Marshall cab... and over here in Belgium there's no way to compare them with each other... If I want a Z-best than I'll have to order one in the States... so it's pretty important for me to be sure it's gonna be a lot better sounding before i order....
thx, berre
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Post by Bill on Dec 19, 2005 8:31:18 GMT -7
If you have a thumping bass player, 2 greens will work in the mix. Otherwise you should keep at least one speaker on the bottom that can handle the low end. Try a green on top and a Tonker on the bottom. I once did a green/vintage 30 like that with good results...only problem is the v30 can really suffer from cone cry.
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Post by Laroosco!! on Dec 19, 2005 10:28:20 GMT -7
Hi guys ! I have asked this before and didn't get any good answer... how would you describe the sound difference between a Z-Best cab and a Marshall 4x12" cab loaded the same celestions..... ?? please help me out 'cause I want a good cab, I find my Route66 not sounding to good with a Marshall cab... and over here in Belgium there's no way to compare them with each other... If I want a Z-best than I'll have to order one in the States... so it's pretty important for me to be sure it's gonna be a lot better sounding before i order.... thx, berre Why don't you try www.proguitar.deThey are in Germany and they are a Dr Z dealer.
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berre
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Post by berre on Dec 19, 2005 11:16:31 GMT -7
Hi guys ! I have asked this before and didn't get any good answer... how would you describe the sound difference between a Z-Best cab and a Marshall 4x12" cab loaded the same celestions..... ?? please help me out 'cause I want a good cab, I find my Route66 not sounding to good with a Marshall cab... and over here in Belgium there's no way to compare them with each other... If I want a Z-best than I'll have to order one in the States... so it's pretty important for me to be sure it's gonna be a lot better sounding before i order.... thx, berre Why don't you try www.proguitar.deThey are in Germany and they are a Dr Z dealer. I know them, bought an airbrake and had it send over to me, couldn't go wrong with that..... but visiting proguitar would mean a 450 miles car drive... that's why i'm eager to get some info on this forum, and ordering in the States and have it send over to me would be cheaper than buying at proguitar... berre
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Post by Laroosco!! on Dec 19, 2005 12:10:57 GMT -7
ordering in the States and have it send over to me would be cheaper than buying at proguitar... berre That's right, our money isn't worth nearly as much. I forgot about that.
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Post by maction on Dec 19, 2005 13:40:09 GMT -7
I can't remember where I read this, and I'm not sure what context it was in, but I remember reading that two greenbacks in the Z-Best is a fave of the good Dr. Please excuse me if this is out of context or incorrect! I think you heard it in the SRZ-65 forum: "I have always loved greenbacks with the SRZ 65, but that's just me. Nice reedy English compression, and less efficiant allowing the SRZ to be mastered up a bit and push the EL-34's. -DR.Z"
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Post by G'OlPeachPhan on Dec 20, 2005 15:34:44 GMT -7
I can't remember where I read this, and I'm not sure what context it was in, but I remember reading that two greenbacks in the Z-Best is a fave of the good Dr. Please excuse me if this is out of context or incorrect! I think you heard it in the SRZ-65 forum: "I have always loved greenbacks with the SRZ 65, but that's just me. Nice reedy English compression, and less efficiant allowing the SRZ to be mastered up a bit and push the EL-34's. -DR.Z" Maction, that's it! Thanks for citing the source I couldn't come up with - 'ppreciate it, thank you kindly.
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Post by Laroosco!! on Dec 22, 2005 13:38:45 GMT -7
Put the Greeenback in the Z Best yesterday(so now there's a G12H30 and a GB) and there is a noticable difference over the tone of 2 G12H30's.
I haven;'t really noticed a huge volume difference with the GB in there but the tone of the cab cab warmed up and smoothed out for sure. I really like it so far. Seems to help with the OD pedals too. The G12H30's can be a bit raspy in the high end and adds that charecter to some OD's.
I have a Ceramic Tone Tubby Hemp cone coming next week that will be going next to the GB. We'll see how that combo works out. When I replace the G12H30 w/the TT the cab will be a bit quiter. THe new H1E Hemp Cones are supposed to have extended high end compared to the originals so I'm thinking that these speakers are gonna be pretty d**n cool. Only time will tell.
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Post by kingink on Mar 21, 2006 23:42:15 GMT -7
Love me some greenbacks in the Z Best, but of course the guitar/pickup combination and amp that feed the speakers will make a difference. For instance, with low output vintage type (bridge) single coils, the greens can be a little bright with either my SF Bassman head or Maz Sr. head, mostly under overdrive conditions. Clean they sound very nice (maybe lacking the low end of a Jensen-style speaker), but as you crank the amps, the overdrive can get a little lispy on the top end. However, with hot single coils or humbuckers, the greens sound just great. Lots of chime, cool harmonics, tight low end, and you can open up your amp a bit more because of the greens' low efficiency. The Bassman seems less loud than the Maz, interestingly enough.
Keep in mind that I usually use my amps with a Hotplate attenuator so that I can crank them yet control the volume. I usually only click back one or two steps on the Hotplate. On the Maz, I've got the volume dimed and the master at something like 2 o'clock. The amp is just roaring, and the greens translate the amp's natural overdrive beautifully.
If you run your amp at lower volumes/drive levels, it might make sense to use a fuller-sounding speaker, since most amps sound brighter at cleaner settings (gain eats high end). But again, if you're about the crunch, I think greenbacks can't be beat.
One thing as comparison: I've been monkeying around with my G12H30s again. Because of their woolly low end, I think, they sound kind of "Fenderish" or Jensen-ish to me. This is cool, because sometimes the greens sound more obviously British classic rock to me, which isn't bad, it's just that the G12Hs make for a fun different flavor.
One other thing: the Z Best seems to have a distinct midrange response that compliments the somewhat scooped nature of the greenbacks. For example, when running my the normal channel of my Bassman through my Earcandy Buzzbomb (also with greens), the tone is a little too scooped and raspy (the cab is designed to have a scooped tone for high gain palm muting). However, through the Z Best, the tone of the Bassman normal channel is nice and full yet still has the chime. The Z Best's midrange voicing fills out the greens.
Hope this info is useful. YMMV.
David
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Post by RC on Apr 8, 2006 15:23:42 GMT -7
I've always loved the sound and feel of Greenbacks so I thought it would be a good replacement for the V-30 in my Z-best. The V-30 after over a 100 hours of playing still sounded to harsh with my Ghia and showed no signs of settling in. The new Greenback arrived last Thursday. I put it in and played a few chords (about 2 minutes) and it sounded a little funny. I tried a few single note runs and it started buzzing and rattling so I opened the cab back up to see what was going on. Nothing obviously was lose but when I played a note the Greenback had a buzz/rattle coming out of it from around the frame and magnet area. The store where I bought it took it back with out any problems they said this wasn't the first time that this had happened. This is the second time for me in the last year that I've had problems with a Celestion speaker. I'm not a vintage or a nostalgic kind of guy or I probable wouldn't own a Dr Z amp and cab. However I do miss the old quality that company's like Celestion and Jensen use to have. So I'm on to plan "B". I ordered two new speakers a Weber Ceramic Blue Dog and Ceramic Silver Bell both 30 watt 16 OHM lite dope. I've heard nothing but good things about Weber speakers so I'm going to give these a try in my Z-best. Now the question is which one to put on top.
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