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Post by ehowie81 on Jul 11, 2012 13:34:53 GMT -7
Hi everyone, I've been thinking about getting a Dr Z for some time now and was ready to order a Maz 8 when I found out about the new M12. It seems perfect for what I am looking for, a low wattage amp that takes pedals well. The only thing i'm not sure about is what would be the most suitable for me, a 1x10 or a 1x12 combo. It will be for home use only, I will be getting my gain from various OD/distortion/fuzz pedals and I plan on getting an Air Brake to use with it. Is there much volume difference between 10" and a 12" speaker? I know the tone will be different, with the 10" being more punchy but volume wise how do they compare? I should clarify as well that I understand that even Dr Z's low wattage amps are loud and need to be turned up to hit the sweet spot. I currently own a Carr Rambler which is 28 watts and I have the volume at about 11 o'clock normally. I'd love to try them out for myself but the I live in the UK and we only have one Dr Z dealer which is over 200 miles from where I live and they don't have them in stock yet anyway and when they do, I expect them to sell out pretty fast. So could anyone who has played both combos please give me a bit of insight? I'm leaning towards a 1x12 with the standard Greenback but i've got a feeling the 1x10 would be more practical for me. Thanks in advance
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Post by Jefferson on Jul 11, 2012 15:26:01 GMT -7
dont have a clue about your question, but welcome to the forum! There are a fair number of Brits on the forum here. All good chaps as they say.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 15:40:37 GMT -7
Welcome to the forum. I have the M12 in a red head, so I can't really answer your question specifically. My 10's are all in 2x10 cabs. But others will chime in, of that I am sure. cheers/tom
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Post by pintail78 on Jul 11, 2012 15:48:16 GMT -7
welcome to the forum, i had the same question.....
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Post by ehowie81 on Jul 11, 2012 16:07:19 GMT -7
Thanks for the welcome guys Jefferson I guess what i'm asking is would a 1x10 be more suitable than a 1x12 for home use only. @t.y. I was originally pondering getting a head as well (and to be honest I haven't completely ruled it out) but i'm pretty sure i'm going to go for a combo. Have you ever compared a 1x12 cab to a 2x10 cab? pintail78 That's some nice gear you own! Hope someone answers our question.
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Post by jesslm02 on Jul 11, 2012 16:10:35 GMT -7
First of all welcome to Z-Talk!
I have a Maz 8 studio 1x12 and also the M12 in a 1x10 combo. You can't get the Maz 8 in a 1x10, unless of course you have a special cab made for it.
That said, I love the 8 with the single 12 studio cab. Sounds pretty big for an 8 watt amp.
I ordered the M12 1x10 because I didn't have a 1x10 cab from the doc and I wanted a super portable grab-n-go. It's great for that. I've plugged the M12 into my 1x12 Z cab a lot and it sounds much bigger and louder.
If you decide to get the M12 1x10, upgrade to the red fang speaker. I already had one from eminence, so I ordered the Z custom 10.
The 1x10 compared to a 1x12, the 1x12 wins everytime IMO, especially if compared side x side. The 1x10 will sound boxey and small by comparison. This really shows in a full band context. A cab with 2x10's is another story though, and different topic altogether.
Hope that helps!
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Post by ehowie81 on Jul 11, 2012 16:32:19 GMT -7
First of all welcome to Z-Talk! I have a Maz 8 studio 1x12 and also the M12 in a 1x10 combo. You can't get the Maz 8 in a 1x10, unless of course you have a special cab made for it. That said, I love the 8 with the single 12 studio cab. Sounds pretty big for an 8 watt amp. I ordered the M12 1x10 because I didn't have a 1x10 cab from the doc and I wanted a super portable grab-n-go. It's great for that. I've plugged the M12 into my 1x12 Z cab a lot and it sounds much bigger and louder. If you decide to get the M12 1x10, upgrade to the red fang speaker. I already had one from eminence, so I ordered the Z custom 10. The 1x10 compared to a 1x12, the 1x12 wins everytime IMO, especially if compared side x side. The 1x10 will sound boxey and small by comparison. This really shows in a full band context. A cab with 2x10's is another story though, and different topic altogether. Hope that helps! Hi jesslm02, that definitely helps, thanks! I can see the appeal of having a 1x10. It's smaller, lighter and therefore easier when gigging but seeing as i'll just be using mine at home, I don't really need that advantage. I've only read good things about the Doc's 10" speakers but when i've played through combos with 10", they do indeed sound boxy as you've described. I know i'm going to be happy with whatever decision I make but like I said before I was already leaning towards the 1x12 so it looks like i'll be going for that. Now all I need to decide is what colour...
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Post by jesslm02 on Jul 11, 2012 16:41:52 GMT -7
First of all welcome to Z-Talk! I have a Maz 8 studio 1x12 and also the M12 in a 1x10 combo. You can't get the Maz 8 in a 1x10, unless of course you have a special cab made for it. That said, I love the 8 with the single 12 studio cab. Sounds pretty big for an 8 watt amp. I ordered the M12 1x10 because I didn't have a 1x10 cab from the doc and I wanted a super portable grab-n-go. It's great for that. I've plugged the M12 into my 1x12 Z cab a lot and it sounds much bigger and louder. If you decide to get the M12 1x10, upgrade to the red fang speaker. I already had one from eminence, so I ordered the Z custom 10. The 1x10 compared to a 1x12, the 1x12 wins everytime IMO, especially if compared side x side. The 1x10 will sound boxey and small by comparison. This really shows in a full band context. A cab with 2x10's is another story though, and different topic altogether. Hope that helps! Hi jesslm02, that definitely helps, thanks! I can see the appeal of having a 1x10. It's smaller, lighter and therefore easier when gigging but seeing as i'll just be using mine at home, I don't really need that advantage. I've only read good things about the Doc's 10" speakers but when i've played through combos with 10", they do indeed sound boxy as you've described. I know i'm going to be happy with whatever decision I make but like I said before I was already leaning towards the 1x12 so it looks like i'll be going for that. Now all I need to decide is what colour... RED! Haha....
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Jul 11, 2012 17:20:30 GMT -7
I've had a 1x10 combo at the house for the last two weeks - it sounds fantastic at bedroom levels. Great with or without pedals. That said, if I were to buy one I would buy a 1x12 combo, especially if you planned on getting an attenuators. We tested the the M12 with a 12" gold and it really bloomed. Sparkling, swirling sounds from the gold. Almost 3d sounding. Either way, it is a great sounding amp. Premier Guitar includes a review of it in their latest issue. They used a 12" speaker for their review. It's online and definitely worth the read. Here's a link to the article: www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2012/Aug/Champions_of_Chime_The_EL84_Roundup.aspx?Page=5
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Jul 11, 2012 17:28:51 GMT -7
IF, & I STRESS "IF", I was 100% SURE I wud NEVER gig w/it.....
I'd buy a head, and 1x15 cab, & stick a JBL D130/E130 in it. After all, it IS supposed to be a "clean" pedal platform, and U just can't beat a JBL 15 for BIG, boomy cleans.
I don't even know if the M12 comes in a "head" only version. That said............ If not, get the 12", man.
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Post by jesslm02 on Jul 11, 2012 19:15:36 GMT -7
^^^ It's available as a head, 1x12, 1x10, and 2x10. Thw standard configs for the smaller chassis heads.
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Post by ehowie81 on Jul 12, 2012 2:01:24 GMT -7
jesslm02 Yup, red does seem pretty tempting. Jaguarguy (Mike) That's another advantage of having the 1x12, there are so many different speakers to play around with. @t-R☼CK ♫ That's an interesting idea, never thought of trying a 15". Wonder if anyone else has tried that in the M12?
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Post by markT on Jul 12, 2012 4:23:20 GMT -7
There are lot's of guys here and elsewhere that like a single 10" speaker, but I am not one of them. It takes 2 or more 10's to get what I look for in an amp. Go for the 12.........or 15" JBL ;D
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Post by ehowie81 on Jul 12, 2012 4:33:39 GMT -7
There are lot's of guys here and elsewhere that like a single 10" speaker, but I am not one of them. It takes 2 or more 10's to get what I look for in an amp. Go for the 12.........or 15" JBL ;D Looks like the 12" wins by a landslide! I think Peach Guitars in the UK will have them in at the end of this month so i'll keep you updated with what I go for and post some pics as well. My camera is a bit crap though so be warned...
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Post by mazmaster on Jul 12, 2012 11:22:54 GMT -7
I own an M12 1x12 combo, have owned other 1x12 combos and have played quite a few 1x10s, not to mention owning many high end 1x12 and 2x12 cabs and an amazing Germino 4x12 cab. Without hesitation, I would get the 1x12 combo over the 1x10 combo in a heartbeat. It will sound bigger and "better" but not louder if the sensitivity of the speakers is the same. The Airbrake makes that a moot point anyway.
Going with a 1x12 will also afford you FAR greater (and better) choices in replacement speakers and, chances are, you're going to want to experiment with speakers, given they're 50% of the equation and are such a subjective, individualized preference. In my case, I went through a good half dozen speakers before I found one I was truly happy with, day after day. The amp can sound radically different with different speakers. I doubt I would have been able to achieve such satisfaction if I had gone with a 1x10.
FWIW, out of all the speakers/cabs I through at the M12, the Germino 4x12 with Scumback M75-PVCs sounded the best, but was also the quietest in the room due to the inefficient PVCs, the closed back and the somewhat beamy nature of 4x12s. The M12 combo cab is also one of the best 1x12 speaker cabs I've ever heard. It sounds absolutely HUGE and very open and it's also quite loud compared to my other 1x12 cabs (open-back oval, closed Thiele and Forte side-ported).
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Post by ehowie81 on Jul 12, 2012 13:14:13 GMT -7
I just want to thank everyone who's commented on this thread, you've all been unbelievably helpful. It's good to know I can get straight answers quickly from decent, knowledgeable people. I hope this thread helps others in the future, i'm sure it will
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jul 12, 2012 14:35:31 GMT -7
Very helpful advice, indeed--as I, myself, am contemplating which format I might like an M12 in. (Sounded amazing with 2xBlues but I'm thinking 1x12 Blue for my own purposes.)
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Post by TBox on Jul 27, 2012 9:43:07 GMT -7
Just wondering if all the new M12 owners still prefer the 12" speaker to the 10". I'm debating on getting one.
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Post by jesslm02 on Jul 27, 2012 10:36:34 GMT -7
I have the 1x10. I prefer it with a 12" speaker. The single 10 sounds good, I just like the 12 beyter for my needs (full band gigs).
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Post by Stan on Jul 27, 2012 10:42:58 GMT -7
just curious for those that might have compared................ if i wanted to stay with the smaller footprint of Dr Z's combos using a 10" would changing to the Celesion 10" Gold give more of a 12" sound over other 10" speakers?
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Post by jesslm02 on Jul 27, 2012 11:49:53 GMT -7
I haven't tried a gold 10 yet. I did however notice when moving from the stock 10 to the redfang, the redfang did sound bigger, but does in any 10' combo. I suspect the 10" gold would sound great with it, but how close it will get to a 12 I can't say without trying it. It seems to me, that the M12 is such a neutral & transparent amp, that you can really tell the difference between 10's and 12's. Even more so than other amps, and also within a full band situation. If I would have never tried it through a 12", I'd still be completely satisfied with the 10. Actually, if all I did was record in a studio, the 10" would be ideal.
So I guess to really answer your question I need to stick a gold 10 in this baby and rock it out for awhile! This also has me curious as to how the 10" greenback would sound, seeing as the 12" greenback seems to be really popular with the M12.
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Post by bryan0418 on Jul 27, 2012 13:39:37 GMT -7
A little late to the party but I would go with a 12. A single 10 can sound thin and the 12 isnt much more weight. You will be happy down the line if you plan to play it out.
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Post by Frankie Starr on Jul 31, 2012 0:11:58 GMT -7
The 1-10 sounds good until you hear the 12......If it's just a practice thing I could live with 1-10 Good Luck !
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Jul 31, 2012 1:54:57 GMT -7
Seems we're not addressing your issue - weight isn't a problem as you'll be playing at home. I use 1x10 combo (Z28) as my main gigging amp. I would question the "boxy" comment made by some as this is a DrZ 1x10 and kicks many an arse from other 12' cabs, however, I play it this way for weight and convenience as I only gig and rarely play at home (through this rig anyway). If I was pure home based, then a 2x10 or 1x12 is what I'd have too - and get that Brake Lite, or even an Airbrake. Dr Z Watts are LOUD! I'd also have a head and cab rather than a combo. That way you can add different heads as you grow with DrZ (trust me, one is NEVER enough!), and maybe try different cabs too - assuming you have the space. But to be clear, whichever route you take, it will be sound better than any amp you've ever played, IMHO!
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Jul 31, 2012 1:58:10 GMT -7
Oh, and plan your trip to Peach in advance - John Priest is a top bloke who will be happy to show you everything you want to see for as long as you want. He has an extensive range of Z kit and is an exceptional player himself, so get him to demo it too, so you get the full benefit of hearing it. Welcome to the forum from another UK Z fan, and make sure you let us know how you get along Enjoy
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Post by ehowie81 on Jul 31, 2012 4:32:39 GMT -7
Oh, and plan your trip to Peach in advance - John Priest is a top bloke who will be happy to show you everything you want to see for as long as you want. He has an extensive range of Z kit and is an exceptional player himself, so get him to demo it too, so you get the full benefit of hearing it. Welcome to the forum from another UK Z fan, and make sure you let us know how you get along Enjoy Hi Pete, I've just had confirmation from Brent at Dr Z that Peach should have the M12 in stock in a few weeks. I'm probably going to get the Air Brake with it too. Head and cab is still an option but I think i'll probably go with the combo for now. I'll be sure to post pics when I finally get one ;D
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Post by TheCommonHours on Oct 7, 2014 21:53:55 GMT -7
So, fast forward to the future.... What did the OP buy ?
And... Any 1x10 user thoughts out there ?
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Post by aarondavis on Sept 20, 2016 14:21:36 GMT -7
OK, so I have a KT45 and open back 2x12 and a Z28 1x12 combo. I also have several other killer amps (including a Caroal Ann Tucana 3). But my Z28 1x12 would have to be my #1 amp *ever*. I'm thinking about getting rid of a Headstrong and replacing it with a M12 1x10. My amps have a purpose for their size and power and this one would fit the bill for my smaller combo... For rehearsals, small gigs and playing around the house will the 1x10 M12 make me happy since I have the others when I need the better tone and power? Whats the Z10 like? I don't think I'd like the lowder, more in your face Red Fang.
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