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Post by canes on Oct 1, 2007 22:29:35 GMT -7
Hello all, Lemme preface this post by saying thats its been a while since I've visited the Z forum, but I've searched and have not found this topic discussed. Im sure that the BF Super RI is similar to other designs that i dont know about that may have been previously discussed but im ignorant of that (im just a guitar player ;D). I've never owned a 'tweed' amp nor do I know how they sound outside a Fender Blues Deluxe i owned years back and a Fender Blues DeVille... At any rate how does the Galaxie compare to the SRRI on the clean channel? I currently own a Ghia, Route 66, Maz38SR-nr, and a silver Twin Reverb, but everytime i stop by GuitarCenter and plug into a SRRI I want to buy one then and there (im workign on the wife on that one . I've been waiting for the Z-6l6, is this it or is the Evan 'it'? I dont know about circuits: bf vs sf, bf vs tweed, marshall vs fender... all I know is I LOVE MY Z's, but I also LOVE the sound of the Super Reverb Reissue.. I just dont want to pay 1g+ for a pcb board amp... If any of this rambling seems cohenrent, please respond. Regards Jason
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Post by groovergeorge on Oct 2, 2007 3:13:36 GMT -7
I haven't got or played a Galaxie but it is compared to a 40 watt tweed Fender. Tweed amps are pretty raw as compared with the rounder,sweeter blackface era. If I was going to use artists as examples a tweed amp is more Roy Buchanan compared with a blackfaces' SRV tones I know these are just 2 artists who both used different guitars as well but that's just my take on it.
I'm pretty sure the Doc's new EVAN model is going to be his take on a blackface circuit and could be well worth waiting for instead of the mass produced Super RI. You got a few bases covered in that you have a Ghia doing the small 15 watt el84' thing, a Route 66 covering the marshall JTM45 bluesbreaker tones and a Maz Sr doing AC30ish-Fender-Marshall, so the Evan could just be the ticket for the 6L6 G.A.S.
Keep pickin'
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Post by aj1169 on Oct 2, 2007 7:11:44 GMT -7
The Galaxie is much more "tweedy" type of sound. It's got that raw, somewhat aggressive tone right out of the gate that just gets fuller with more grit as you go up on the volume. It does a great crunch rock sound once you get it up past noon on the dial. The Black Face and Silver Face amps from Fender are cleaner to my ears, with a more mid scoop sound. The Galaxie and tweed amps in general have a more pronounced midrange rather than that scooped sound. The EZG-50, formerly the "Evan" is supposed to be Doc's take on the blackface ere Fenders.
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Post by groovergeorge on Oct 3, 2007 1:14:02 GMT -7
Dr Z said that he used the same output transformer that was used in fender's early creations like the Super and tweed twin. Here's a link,youv'e probably seen it before but if not it will give you some idea of typical tweed tone. And a guy playing some licks into a blackface modified 70's twin. Hope this helps ;
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Post by dei305 on Oct 3, 2007 4:06:57 GMT -7
Canes, IMHO, what's selling SRRI to you is the sound of 4-10's. Just add 1 or 2 Z cab's (with Doc's 10's) to your MAZ SR head and you are there, only better. The RI just doesn't hold a candle to Doc's stuff. Rick
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Post by groovergeorge on Oct 3, 2007 4:16:14 GMT -7
Canes, IMHO, what's selling SRRI to you is the sound of 4-10's. Just add 1 or 2 Z cab's to your MAZ head and you are there. The RI just doesn't hold a candle to Doc's stuff. Rick Great idea and totally agree. Why pay the same kind of money for something that has a printed circuit board rather than point to point wiring and just doesn't sound as good?
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Post by mcgriff420 on Oct 3, 2007 8:04:54 GMT -7
+1 for a good 410 cab and the Galaxie. I've played the Galaxie through 112's, 212's and a well used 410, with the 410 being my fav. I much prefer the tweed era sound to the BF era stuff. YMMV
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Post by canes on Oct 4, 2007 12:41:14 GMT -7
Thanks for the replies guys, I've been wanting a 4x10 for a while. JT
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Post by Telemanic on Oct 4, 2007 14:35:55 GMT -7
Yeah totaly different beasts, the galaxy with it's tweed based heritage and the RI SR. The RI needs work to get close to a "real" BF, so i think if i was having to have one of those i'd find a silver face for the right $$ and mod it back to BF specs. Not too bad really, cap's - resistors - and change of the bias circuit from balanced to fixed.
The Galaxy has that wonderful PHAT RAW mid-range thing like the tweed era fenders, maybe more specifically the narrow panel stuff which i think are a little tighter and punchier than the earlier stuff.
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Post by crikey on Oct 24, 2007 0:32:09 GMT -7
What an interesting thread! I had no idea the Fender PCB Super Reverb reissues were $1200. Seems like I've seen real 1960s blackface Fenders for about $1450 at my local super-cool guitar store. Maybe I'm mistaken about that -- with SRV having used them and Robben Ford calling them "the perfect guitar amp" you'd think the Super Reverb would have appreciated more by now.
If you don't want a 35-year-old amp, check out the forthcoming EZ-G40 or maybe the 40W version of the Fargen Blackbird.
The 4x10s do have a distinctive tone, whether in a tweedish or blackface amp -- or presumably with a Z.
Crikey
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Post by groovergeorge on Oct 24, 2007 7:29:31 GMT -7
The blackface super reverb was one heck of an amp and will go down in history as one of the greats but keep in mind that at 60 watts that had to be cranked and the fact that its quite hefty with those 4x10's it isn't going to be suited to everyone. To me the blackface vibroverb with a 15' made famous by SRV in the early years is a better amp although somewhat rarer.
I am also very looking forward to the EZG-40/Evan, I have been jonesing for blackface tone ever since I sold my modified sf twin reverb a couple of years ago. i'm sure the Doc is got more than a few surprises hidden in that one like all his creations.
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Post by pittsburghplayer on Oct 24, 2007 18:55:48 GMT -7
I used to own a SuperReverb Reissue amp, my amp tech installed nos tubes, power and preamp and put switch in the back that changed the circuit from AB to Class "A" so it was said. I just want to say this amp sounded wounderfull, great cleans and had good grit when turned up, I only sold it when I bought a new VibroKing. A little tweeking can make these amps a real performer and if I remember the Total for the mods was around 75.00. Of course the tubes where not included in that price. But for a good workhorse amp at a reasonable price with 4-pr10 Jensens these are hard to beat.I played mine out regularly for a least 3 years and not one problem. They are on the heavy side though, but that 4-10 sound is hard to beat, it really fills up aroom.
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