I have never even SEEN an '88, much less played one, they are rare birds..Have any of you lucky owners ever played bass, particularly 5-string bass through one of these? Some of the other Zs sound pretty good through a good bass cab, but really lack the power for any serious small to medium room gigging. Do those big KT88s have enough muscle to get it done? I guess you can see i am fishin' for a good reason to get an 88, almost had one last year, someone sniped it, and haven't seen one for sale since..Dwight
Post by Rich (fbb90) on Feb 15, 2012 18:47:20 GMT -7
I ran my HWY1 P-Bass through my Delta. I didn't really like it. Despite it being 80+ watts, it really doesn't have a lot of clean headroom. I also thought the lows were a little loose and flubby if you hit the strings hard (and that was running it through an Ampeg HLF 4X10 bass cab). If you like an overdriven fuzzy type of bass sound, it sort-of does that, but like I said, it seemed a little flubby on the low end.
I think my newish KT-45 would be better, but I got rid of the P-Bass last year.
Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Feb 18, 2012 8:34:11 GMT -7
Rich said it all. The Delta is not set up for headroom, which is one of the main ingredients in a good bass amp.
The phase inverter plate load resistors are a higher value than normal which makes it overdrive easier.
I REALLY hate to recommend a manufacturer other than Z, but since it looks like Z is not going to make a bass amp any time soon, look at one of these if you want what in my opinion is the ultimate tube bass amp right now:
Yes it's at least a grand more than a Z bass amp would be, but it's got six KT-88s with the biggest trannies you've ever seen and immaculate construction. I live really close to the factory and have played this amp. If I didn't have a Phil Jones rig (which is the ultimate for us slappers IMO) I'd have a Reeves in a heartbeat.
From my personal practicality points, with the weak points in many tube amps being the tubes, I'd stick with a simpler solid state design output with a lotta headroom. I have a few different bass amps and have gigged with loud bands as a bass player. Right now I'm sold on the MarkBass line of amps. I also like the Ampeg SVT3 and 4 Pro tube front end and solid state power section. I really like the the old SVT but they weigh a ton. The Fender Bassman series of Amps, I've tried most of them over the years and they all seemed to change as the night wore on and when things got louder. The Reeves is more like the Dr. Z construction, workmanship and design but I'd never be able to personally justify $3,300.00 before even buying the speakers.... and I am a gear freak in general!
11 tubes is a whole lotta tubes. 9 tubes in the Ampeg SVT Classic is a lot of tubes too. 80 Lbs for a head is a lot of weight. But it all depends on what YOU want. Personally doing side by side comparisons over the years with "All Tube" compared to front end Tube and more recently compared to solid state, I can get along fine with a high powered solid state at about 1/4 the price with speakers and still have great tone.... I'm a groove player and not a poppah and snappah... YMMV.
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