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Post by TBox on Dec 1, 2011 8:48:38 GMT -7
for having to sell my Z-Wreck, but my music minister keeps telling me to turn down and I've tried the Brakelite at 4 clicks but it just doesn't sound the same down that low. The Z-Wreck is absolutely the greatest amp that I have owned ever, but I'll never be able to use it at my Church and with a choir. This amp sounds so good when its cranked and can take my pedals well.
I have it on the Buy, Sell & Trade if anyone is interested. It has some really nice wood markings on the head. I'm not interested in any trades, I have a Maz 18 & a Vox AC15 that I can use.
Thanks, Tbox
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Post by aufamily on Dec 1, 2011 11:26:23 GMT -7
A moment of silence is in order. (Which is ironic since it is a volume issue that is causing your problem!)
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Post by TBox on Dec 1, 2011 11:32:22 GMT -7
Thanks for feeling my pain!
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Post by doctorice on Dec 1, 2011 11:46:00 GMT -7
That really is a shame. Good luck with your sale.
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Post by markT on Dec 1, 2011 12:47:58 GMT -7
A moment of silence is in order. (Which is ironic since it is a volume issue that is causing your problem!) ;D Sorry for your loss...
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Post by jammers5 on Dec 1, 2011 13:23:45 GMT -7
That sucks man, sorry.
J5
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Post by bassnomo on Dec 1, 2011 14:30:44 GMT -7
That great American philosopher, Foghorn Leghorn might say: "I say Boy, I say, settle down now, don't go gettin' yoself all 'riled up now an' do 'sumpin you will regret 'fo the rest of yo life, 'jus go 'an git yoself a BIGGA CHURCH! Worked for me, didn't plan it, just happened...
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Dec 1, 2011 14:45:49 GMT -7
That great American philosopher, Foghorn Leghorn might say: "I say Boy, I say, settle down now, don't go gettin' yoself all 'riled up now an' do 'sumpin you will regret 'fo the rest of yo life, 'jus go 'an git yoself a BIGGA CHURCH! Worked for me, didn't plan it, just happened... That's the ticket!
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Post by TBox on Dec 1, 2011 15:35:48 GMT -7
This is the big church. We just built it that seats 3000. We have a massive sound system. I could play through a transistor radio and it would still be too loud. Its actually set up as a theatre for lighting and sound. We also do a lot of dramas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2011 16:43:29 GMT -7
Get 1 low efficiency speaker.
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Post by randalp3000 on Dec 1, 2011 16:47:39 GMT -7
This is the big church. We just built it that seats 3000. We have a massive sound system. I could play through a transistor radio and it would still be too loud. Its actually set up as a theatre for lighting and sound. We also do a lot of dramas. I feel your pain I've been there, music always takes a back seat to the production. No fun. Now I'm at a better place, no drum shield, KT 45 vol at 9:00, and my own Avion mixer into a Mackie 15" monitor. sounds like you need a mini or a maz 8 wish you the best and good luck rp
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Post by bassnomo on Dec 1, 2011 18:47:59 GMT -7
"This is the big church. We just built it that seats 3000. We have a massive sound system. I could play through a transistor radio and it would still be too loud. Its actually set up as a theatre for lighting and sound. We also do a lot of dramas" Well hmmmm. ... Here is how it went for me: When i switched from bass to rythm guitar, the guitarists were playing through guitar pods and avioms. This was horrendous, so i embarked on a mission of improvement, starting with the introduction of "monitor amps" onto the stage, which in my case was an air-braked Maz 18nr. "Too loud" said the sound man, "Can't control it". So, under the stage went the single C-Gold, 1-12 cab, with a mike, and and ext. cab w/airbrake at my feet, aviom at my fingertips piped into a powered monitor, also at my feet, no stinking headphones. Result: low stage volume, beautiful 3/4 throttle Maz tone fed to the mains w/excellent control for mr soundman, excellent pesonalized monitor mix via aviom. Beautiful tone, everyone happy. Since then, our soundman has become more adept at mixing live amp sounds, so a Stangray 1-12 combo is at my feet, no more trickery necessary. Never was necessary, just a 1 year program of "soundman re-education". Now he cannot stand the sound of that "trashy guitar pod", and occasionally says "Give me a little more signal". Don't tell me that God is not at work in this Church. So, if you have a place to isolate that cab near stage, i can quit coveting your Wreck. I hear that's a sin...
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Post by TBox on Dec 1, 2011 19:48:21 GMT -7
Thanks for the info. The other guys in the band are using headphones with their avioms. I could probably play bass or drums or piano with headphones, but not guitar. So you come out of the aviom's headphone output into the powered monitor? And what kind of powered monitor are you using? Are you mixing the whole band & vocals through your monitor or just your amp?
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Post by bassnomo on Dec 1, 2011 20:01:42 GMT -7
"Thanks for the info. The other guys in the band are using headphones with their avioms. I could probably play bass or drums or piano with headphones, but not guitar. So you come out of the aviom's headphone output into the powered monitor? And what kind of powered monitor are you using? Are you mixing the whole band & vocals through your monitor or just your amp?" The aviom is plugged directly into a little 25 watt Fender Bassman tilt-back practice amp that i bought for 50 bucks. I mix the entire band/choir/praise team through it, and it works really well for me. Helps that the core of this band has played together for over 10 years, and have a great deal of love and respect for one another.
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Post by English John on Dec 2, 2011 4:49:07 GMT -7
Airbrake, bedroom setting?
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Post by sslmix on Dec 2, 2011 9:32:12 GMT -7
Try this, if you would turn down the bass and treble to say 9 o'clock or even a little less and the cut conrol to 9 o'clock the volume will decrease and it will be more pleasing to the ears. Doing this you can actually turn up the volume more. I own a z wreck and do this and it works. I am also a soundman so I now the headache of guitar amps. Just try and see what happens. It might not sound as exciting but you could still keep the amp. Eric Johnson does this same thing.
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Post by TBox on Dec 2, 2011 11:11:55 GMT -7
Thanks everyone for all the help and information and concern. Tbox
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Post by aufamily on Dec 2, 2011 11:13:33 GMT -7
bassnomo: "Don't tell me that God is not at work in this Church."
LOL! Moved by the spirit!
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Post by John on Dec 2, 2011 14:48:57 GMT -7
I have a Peavey Bandit...great for churches. I'll make you a straight up trade?
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Post by gotmojo on Dec 2, 2011 15:02:00 GMT -7
Have you tried the Gotmojo trick of "quieter with quieter" , the opposite of my "louder with louder" technique when using Dr. Z braking devices? I wrote this somewhere in another thread some time ago. You said that you don't like the sound of the Wreck braked down hard, so you find it not very useful at low volumes. I found that the more you brake down the volume of the amp, the more "preamp overdrive-like" that it sounds. Kinda fuzzes out like driving preamp tubes too hard, in an unpleasant fashion. It's like the brake adds quite a bit of distortion when cranked down on the signal. So I have found I like the sound of my Wreck (and any other Z's) at heavily braked settings better when I turn the amp's volume down some, so there is less fuzz added. When I play live this gives me a more natural amp sound. As the night goes on and the band gets louder, I use less Brake, but then I have to turn up the amp volume to get back the tube drive I lost by not braking it so hard - more volume knob for louder brake settings: louder with louder. As an example: with no brake I like the fuzz I get with the Wreck's volume at about 3:00 - frigging loud. When I use a Brake Lite at the quietest setting of 4, I have to turn the Wreck's volume back to 10:00 to get the same amount of fuzz. Give it a try and see if it saves the best amp you ever owned!!!!!! Ahhhhhhh, don't sell it!
jj
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Post by TBox on Dec 2, 2011 17:35:32 GMT -7
John, The Peavey Bandit sounds tempting. Do you have the footswitch that goes with it? LOL I hate to admit it, but living here in Meridian, MS home of Hartley Peavey, I used to own one.
And thanks for more info on attenuation from Gotmojo.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Dec 2, 2011 19:15:50 GMT -7
John, The Peavey Bandit sounds tempting. Do you have the footswitch that goes with it? LOL I hate to admit it, but living here in Meridian, MS home of Hartley Peavey, I used to own one. 'Aint NUTHIN' wrong with a "good" Peavey. Bandits were some KILLERS in the 70's/80's..... I still got a cpl PV's here. An LA 400, and a tweed Delta Blues 1x15 that is NOT for sale.
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Post by televisual on Dec 4, 2011 10:51:13 GMT -7
Have you thought of buying/constructing an isolation cab? If the church has avioms feel blessed cause those are awesome! A good set of in-ears and you'd be golden.
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Post by dickenscpa on Dec 6, 2011 15:29:33 GMT -7
I'd suggest you keep it. I posted in your for sale thread about letting my RXES go for the same reason as you, except I left a big Church and went to a smaller Church. It literally made me sick. My RXES was MY sound. It was an '04 and had a lot of sentimental value also.
I had to get mine back. Expensive lesson learned. Unless it's to put food on the table, my RXES will never leave me again.
Brad
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 15:46:52 GMT -7
Have you thought of buying/constructing an isolation cab? If the church has avioms feel blessed cause those are awesome! A good set of in-ears and you'd be golden. That is an Idea. You can buy plex panels I have some ..Cost me a tad over 200.00 and it works great. Although I bought my panels more for pet proofing. My big Black Tom likes the feel of the Z Wreck front panel to much. First time since we've had him that I have to worry about him scratching. From a sound view point I can't imagine a Z Brake wouldn't do the Job. What I love about the Wreck most is it's ability to shine even at lower volume. Unlike other amps the Wreck seems to have a sweet spot everywhere. I crank mine to about 2:00 and than back it off some. It's sweet anywhere. Plus in varies some much between guitars.. JMO
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Post by TBox on Dec 6, 2011 18:07:01 GMT -7
Thanks! Just wanted everyone to know that I pulled my Wreck off the buy and sell and took it back to the church. I made a mistake and plugged my tele into it and tried some different settings with my Brakelite. It's a great sounding amp. I think the Tele works best with it. I'm not sure which route I'll take, attenuation, isolation or whatever, but I'm going to give it another try.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 6:34:29 GMT -7
Giving the Wreck another try sure isn't going to cost you anything. Your price was more than fair. We all know what Buyers remorse is. Well there's definitely sellers remorse as well. Best to take another run at it. If you decide later to sell. You'll know it's the right thing to do. My Dealer told me awhile back. When using attenuation. Get it to where the sound is manageable and than back the volume down just a hair. I actually get my amp to a point where it's a tad to much -and than back it down some. Works great. I usually have my guitar volume cranked. So everything less ends up being more. So to speak. Good luck Tbox
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Post by gizmo on Dec 7, 2011 6:44:24 GMT -7
A wise decision. I hate to see a homeless Wreck especially at this time of year.
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Post by Sean on Dec 7, 2011 7:27:29 GMT -7
w/r/t the plexiglass idea - I just went to a building supply store and bough a sheet of plexiglass and a few hinges....if you measure the width of the cab, usually the stores will make a cut or two for you there which is a good thing as it is tough to cut plexiglass cleanly w/o the right saw...anyway, just cut it into three pieces - one big enough to go across the cab, and two smaller ones to swing out on the sides to support it and block the sides a bit. drill some holes and put the hinges on. Works great, and you can pull it out a bit from the cab to have room for a mic. Or you can do multiple sections to help with portability. some ideas: This one is a bit fancier...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 8:02:02 GMT -7
Nice post Sean: Mind sharing your rough cost?
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