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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 12:27:59 GMT -7
Great review Mike I had a similar Buzz and it was the V1 tube the tung sol. I called The Doc and he sent me a replacement. What a great guy and awesome customer service. ;D I through a JJ in V1 and the amp is back up and rocking. I would still rather have the tung sol based on the Doc's preference. Loving everything I am hearing with all my guitars through this amp.
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Post by BritInvasion on Oct 21, 2011 12:47:49 GMT -7
Wow Mike , congrats! Very very cool!
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 21, 2011 13:19:55 GMT -7
Mike, I already tol-ya! Send it over, and I'll get the speaker broken in before the next election. Yeah, that's the ticket. Oh, not the 2012 election, the next one after that.
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Post by crxsh on Oct 21, 2011 13:49:54 GMT -7
How many ohms is the stock Blue in the 8?
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Post by gizmo on Oct 21, 2011 16:44:40 GMT -7
I was quite surprised at the size of the studio combo (not in a bad way) when I saw it pictured next to your Z Wreck. It looks fantastic.
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Post by markT on Oct 21, 2011 17:44:30 GMT -7
How many ohms is the stock Blue in the 8? From the photo's I've seen, it looks to be a 16 ohm.... I've been wondering myself what the reason for that is. I thought the lower the ohm, the louder sound db output... Any ideas?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 21, 2011 18:19:28 GMT -7
How many ohms is the stock Blue in the 8? From the photo's I've seen, it looks to be a 16 ohm.... I've been wondering myself what the reason for that is. I thought the lower the ohm, the louder sound db output... Any ideas? Not exactly. With a tube amp, if you match the speaker to the transformer, it all comes out in the wash. In other words, you get the same volume with a 16 ohm speaker plugged in to the 16 ohm output as you would get with an 8 ohm speaker plugged in to the 8 ohm output. Solid state is another matter.
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Post by markT on Oct 21, 2011 18:30:18 GMT -7
^^^ Thanks Steve! I was hoping you would see that question. So...what is the advantage? I'm sure the Doc used the 16 ohm tap for a good reason...
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 21, 2011 18:54:56 GMT -7
^^^ Thanks Steve! I was hoping you would see that question. So...what is the advantage? I'm sure the Doc used the 16 ohm tap for a good reason... Well if you're manufacturing amplifiers, and you have two crates of 16 ohm speakers sitting in the back, you really don't need to think real hard about whether to order up a boat load of 8's or use the ones you have.
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Post by markT on Oct 21, 2011 19:08:59 GMT -7
^^^...lol....I got ya. Thanks once again Mr. Steve. k to you....once again~
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 21, 2011 19:41:09 GMT -7
^^^...lol....I got ya. Thanks once again Mr. Steve. k to you....once again~ Thanks. Keep in mind I do not have any specific inside knowledge - just seems apparent to me is all.
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Post by DRZ on Oct 22, 2011 3:57:18 GMT -7
^^^ Thanks Steve! I was hoping you would see that question. So...what is the advantage? I'm sure the Doc used the 16 ohm tap for a good reason... Well if you're manufacturing amplifiers, and you have two crates of 16 ohm speakers sitting in the back, you really don't need to think real hard about whether to order up a boat load of 8's or use the ones you have. Spot on Steve. We secured a skid of 16 ohm Blues at a nice price and pass the saving on to our customers. 8 ohms are more popular due to the Series connected pair equaling 16 ohm. DR.Z
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Post by markT on Oct 22, 2011 4:59:41 GMT -7
Spot on Steve. We secured a skid of 16 ohm Blues at a nice price and pass the saving on to our customers. 8 ohms are more popular due to the Series connected pair equaling 16 ohm. DR.Z Thanks for the conformation Doc! Steve, after thinking about what you said about having a load of 16 ohm speakers, I thought, surely the good Doc must have some other reason....I was wrong again- Thanks guys.... How's that 16 ohm working for ya Mike!?
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Post by doctorice on Oct 22, 2011 5:16:17 GMT -7
^^^
16 ohms just fine.
When I first unpacked the amp I noticed the speaker was plugged into the 16-ohm output. I couldn't see any marking on the Cel label or frame. Next day, when I had more time, I noticed a 15 ohm marking on the speaker terminal/leads.
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Post by doctorice on Oct 22, 2011 5:23:49 GMT -7
Great review Mike I had a similar Buzz and it was the V1 tube the tung sol. I called The Doc and he sent me a replacement. What a great guy and awesome customer service. ;D I through a JJ in V1 and the amp is back up and rocking. I would still rather have the tung sol based on the Doc's preference. Loving everything I am hearing with all my guitars through this amp. My amp has a JJ in V1. I didn't pull all the tubes -- may do that today -- but it appears to be a mixture of brands. Think I spotted a Mullard in V5, for example. Big project for today, though, is to decide if I want to gig the amp tomorrow at an outdoor show. I simply have to play it a lot and loud. Yes, dear, I really have to ;D
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Post by doctorice on Oct 22, 2011 8:30:23 GMT -7
Congrats Mike on the new amp. How would you compare the maximum volume, compared to the MAZ Jr.? Also a comparison on the reverb would be cool. Is it like the MAZ, or closer to the JAZ? Thanks, Nick. My MAZ 18 is quite a bit louder with nearly identical settings of the controls, but remember it's a 2x10. I haven't done a comparison with V and Master maxed yet, nor have I gotten to the reverb. Been having too much fun working the guitar controls and playing with the eq bypass.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2011 8:47:11 GMT -7
Yes the EQ bypass is no doubt about it a huge benefit to have with this amp. No need for any overdrive or distortion pedals just plug in and ride your guitar volume and tone controls and play ;D
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Post by doctorice on Oct 22, 2011 10:02:41 GMT -7
^^^
Yup. I've pretty much decided to take this amp to tomorrow's show with no pedals except a tuner. Tele volume and tone control + eq bypass availability will cover the set list's needs. We'll be on a stage outdoors. The sponsors have engaged a sound guy we've worked with before, so I don't need a lot of volume -- just tone!
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Oct 22, 2011 10:30:58 GMT -7
Oh will you guys be QUIET!! My GAS is giving me a headache!! ;D (I never got the chance to bond with the EQ Bypass on my Maz18 NR, and now I watch Dave's video on the Maz8 - JUST PERFECT! I think I'll watch it just one more time )
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Post by tjnies on Oct 22, 2011 12:54:56 GMT -7
#6 looks awesome! Favorite color for the Maz 8 too!
I am somewhat curious about the use of the Blue exclusively for this amp, considering some people's opinion that it's a bit short on bass.
I'm wondering if at some future point the 70th Anniversary will be offered. I really like it in my Maz18, and if given a choice would probably pick it for the 8 as well.
Funny, I've been thinking (yikes, smell the burning), and figured by the time I sent my 18 in for the EQ bypass, and if consider the Blue upcharge, I'm pretty close in total spend to the Maz8...hmmm, maybe I should just order one now...
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Post by prs1999 on Oct 22, 2011 14:36:17 GMT -7
Nice Doc. Congrats & enjoy. I know it sounded great at Z fest so I know you got a winner !
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Oct 23, 2011 0:42:27 GMT -7
I'm looking forward, and I am truly hoping someone will do this, to another video of a Maz8 when the Blue is broken in. My only (very small) concern with the Maz8 is that every video has the Bass high and Treble rolled back and she still sounds like a bright amp. I am guessing that's down to the speaker as per the Doc's post, so a broken in Blue would be great to hear.
Pete ;D
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Post by doctorice on Oct 23, 2011 6:54:28 GMT -7
^^^ We'll get there fairly soon I think on the speaker break in. If others are like me, this amp is getting a lot of play time. Can't promise on the vid, but maybe. I'm not sure it's just the Blue on the bass response. It may be the circuit itself. Should be easy to figure out by plugging into a different cab. I've got a gig today or I'd do it right now!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2011 8:41:11 GMT -7
The Blue sure has plenty of bass to my ear. I've been playing with the treble and mid lower during the break in period. This amp on the floor is super Full sounding. Live I've been using the high input w the Volume straight up and the Master Dimed on the Pentode setting. Guitar volume down for cleans, EQ bypass big parts and the SHO for "hey look out I'm gonna play now".
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Post by markT on Oct 23, 2011 9:13:44 GMT -7
The Blue sure has plenty of bass to my ear. I've been playing with the treble and mid lower during the break in period. This amp on the floor is super Full sounding. Live I've been using the high input w the Volume straight up and the Master Dimed on the Pentode setting. Guitar volume down for cleans, EQ bypass big parts and the SHO for "hey look out I'm gonna play now". ;D ;D ;D
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Post by doctorice on Oct 23, 2011 12:14:07 GMT -7
The Blue sure has plenty of bass to my ear. I've been playing with the treble and mid lower during the break in period. This amp on the floor is super Full sounding. Live I've been using the high input w the Volume straight up and the Master Dimed on the Pentode setting. Guitar volume down for cleans, EQ bypass big parts and the SHO for "hey look out I'm gonna play now". I'll try that, Eric. Thanks. Are you running the EQ bypass and the SHO at the same time for some songs?
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Post by doctorice on Oct 23, 2011 12:17:18 GMT -7
Tube complement
V1 JJ ECC83S V2 Ruby 12AX7A with HG+ sticker V3 JJ ECC81 V4 Sovtek 7025/12AX7B V5 Mullard (Russian) 12AX7
V6 not sure about this as I'm not at all expert. It appears Russian as it has the OTK stamp on it. Appears to be labeled 8804 and also has 88 IV on one side. I imagine one of the experts will know.
Rectifier is a JJ GZ34S
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2011 13:36:48 GMT -7
EQ bypass & SHO both for crazy stuff.
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Post by Maddog on Oct 23, 2011 14:49:40 GMT -7
V6 not sure about this as I'm not at all expert. It appears Russian as it has the OTK stamp on it. Appears to be labeled 8804 and also has 88 IV on one side. I imagine one of the experts will know. Never heard of an 8804. How many pins does it have? Can't imagine it should be anything but a 12ax_ ? type tube....you already have your rectifier, output power tube, 12at for reverb, etc.....then it's just gain stages, and PI. Hmmmmm....prob just some crazy Russian 12ax7.......Tubes are getting really hard to find for amp makers.....
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Post by doctorice on Oct 23, 2011 16:00:40 GMT -7
^^^
Lee, it's standard 9-pin and it must be the EL84 or variant thereof. V1 through V5 all are in the 12AX7 family. Heck, it just occurred to me that I should look at the tube chart! D'oh...
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