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Post by sutoman on Dec 3, 2010 16:06:06 GMT -7
Will an EZG get the Fender blackface twang AND a great overdrive sound with pedals without tweaking the amp settings? My Deluxe gets that twang at medium volumes (people compliment that tone all the time), but does not take to the pedals as well as the Maz. The Maz sounds great over driven with or without the pedals, but I cannot get that twang that the DR provides. I don't want to be the guy who brings two amps to a club gig...but I need the versatility to go from the Bakersfield twang to Keith Urban for gigs. Is the EZG the answer? Will it sound good with my Z-best with G1230 and a greenback, or am I going to need to speaker swap or get a different cabinet? Thanks!
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Post by kfkm on Dec 4, 2010 4:14:00 GMT -7
You will definately get that Fender twang out of this amp and it goes way louder than a deluxe. As for pedals this amp seems to take everything I put into it with no problems. I run mine through a 4x10 Z cab and it sounds great but I'm sure a Z Best cab will sound great also.
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Post by mtlrecords on Dec 4, 2010 21:04:28 GMT -7
It sounds great with all kinds of pedals. Particularly big bottom fuzz...brassmaster, octave fuzz, etc. Also, the EZG-50 sounds great through a Z-Best, but I like it better through an open back cab. 2x12 or 1x12, but I am sure a 4x10 must sound great.
I agree with kfkm, the EZG would throw the hammer down volume-wise on the Deluxe. But it also sounds great on low, low volumes too.
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Post by sutoman on Dec 5, 2010 10:24:13 GMT -7
Thanks guys. I did some forum searching and found this territory has been covered before. It sounds like the EZG might be a good solution for me.
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Post by thecryingstrat on Dec 5, 2010 11:56:47 GMT -7
I would also say it would be a great choice. i was kind of needing the same versatility. ezg takes pedals like a charm, can twang a great deal, and will get you the bass response and volume, that no deluxe would ever provide you.... cheers!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2010 17:23:26 GMT -7
If I may ask you "mtlrecords": by low, low volume? As compared to your SRZ 65, where does the EZG 50 sit?
I've tried the SRZ, but it was still just a little more volume at it's lowest for me. I went with the Jaz 20/40 - and it's just perfect. (look at me,gassing on the EZG board 2 days later-OY!) Thanks, tom
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Post by mtlrecords on Dec 5, 2010 19:44:27 GMT -7
Tom-
The EZG-50 can be played very quietly. I mean, it doesn't sound quite as amazing at "bedroom" levels, b/c you can't get the preamp or power amp tubes "cooking." However, the clean sounds, even at tiny volumes, are full, fat and bouncy. I use pedals and I can play the EZG-50 at ANY VENUE or even a bedroom.
The SRZ-65, even with the master at absolute minimum is going to be a bit louder than the EZG at minimum output. And the tonal improvement between cranking the volume of the SRZ and restraining it is more noticeable to me. Not a big deal most of the time, but of course the higher the master the better (and obviously sometimes this is not possible). The EZG has no master...so maybe that is part of it.
Wishing I had a JAZ 20/40! Grass is always greener...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2010 20:02:31 GMT -7
Thanks - I've wanted to pair the JAZ with an EZG since wanting the JAZ. "Might be possible" is a such an "inspiring" state of mind. I didn't mean to steal the thread "sutoman"- Please, let us know what you decide. I too like that Bakersfield Twang - and pedals. cheers and Thank You!
*does Oakland Twang?* tom
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Post by sutoman on Dec 5, 2010 23:40:58 GMT -7
*does Oakland Twang?* tom You live here Tom...Twang left with Jim Campilongo and others years ago! Nuthin' but rap and Dj's in what was once arguably the live music capital of the world. Not many Z dealers either. I have to drive a long way, and the chances of them having an EZG in stock is slim to none....business opportunity perhaps?
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Post by silkwood on Dec 23, 2010 12:29:09 GMT -7
I'd be really interested to see how this turns out for you sutoman.. I'm facing the same dilemma myself.
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Post by frankiestarr on Dec 23, 2010 22:48:30 GMT -7
Thanks - I've wanted to pair the JAZ with an EZG since wanting the JAZ. "Might be possible" is a such an "inspiring" state of mind. I didn't mean to steal the thread "sutoman"- Please, let us know what you decide. I too like that Bakersfield Twang - and pedals. cheers and Thank You! *does Oakland Twang?* tom To my ears, The EZG and Jaz are the two cleanest DR Z amps of the bunch. I really don't see how using both would help you to much, un-less you want more volume. The EZG will twang, but it has a thicker bass then a typical Fender. Most guys I have run into including myself run the bass all the way down. Good luck !
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Post by sutoman on Dec 24, 2010 1:51:28 GMT -7
Well, I took the plunge. My EZG-50 is used, but the manufacture date is October 2010. I am finding that clean headroom is ok for low output single coils, but humbuckers and higher output single coils saturate the front end of the amp - nice sound, but it isn't the blackface clean I have been looking for or have been lead to believe this amp is capable of at louder volumes. I am looking to be able to play clean, loud, twangy guitar a la "Guitars Cadillacs", and get that loud strat "Little Wing" tone without front end saturation.Can this be fixed with tubes and speakers, or should I sell the EZG and buy a twin and blow the extra money by hiring Van Halen to play my daughter's graduation party? (Great saturated tone is NO PROBLEM with the EZG and a good pedal or two...)
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Post by mtlrecords on Dec 24, 2010 11:16:15 GMT -7
I too felt the EZG-50 didn't have the amount of clean headroom I thought it would before buying it. But then I kept fussing with different settings of pre/post and EQ and tried out different speakers and cabs. I found some settings that I love that work for ALMOST ANY venue (not all).
Try an open back cab with 4x12 or 4x10 speakers, preferably high headroom speakers like Celestion 60 watt or 75 watt cones.
Then put the pre at noon and the post at 11 o'clock and EQ to taste (I cut bass and treble and boost mids a bit). If this is loud enough for you, then you might be good to go. If it is not loud enough, then you need
A) a Fender Twin (an amp I really have no love for) B) a Fuchs Clean Machine (80, 100 or 150 watts of clean power) C) a Germino Headroom 100 or D) your hearing checked...because this is getting loud!
Hope your quest for pulling your desired tones out of the EZG improves and take your time experimenting. It isn't the end all, be all amp, but it works for me in a LOUD rock band and in quiet recording sessions too. When I need to be UBER-LOUD I grab my 100 watt Marshall...
Cheers!
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Post by sutoman on Dec 24, 2010 16:05:03 GMT -7
I too felt the EZG-50 didn't have the amount of clean headroom I thought it would before buying it. But then I kept fussing with different settings of pre/post and EQ and tried out different speakers and cabs. I found some settings that I love that work for ALMOST ANY venue (not all). Try an open back cab with 4x12 or 4x10 speakers, preferably high headroom speakers like Celestion 60 watt or 75 watt cones. Then put the pre at noon and the post at 11 o'clock and EQ to taste (I cut bass and treble and boost mids a bit). If this is loud enough for you, then you might be good to go. If it is not loud enough, then you need A) a Fender Twin (an amp I really have no love for) B) a Fuchs Clean Machine (80, 100 or 150 watts of clean power) C) a Germino Headroom 100 or D) your hearing checked...because this is getting loud! I think the answer is D. Cheers!
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Post by sutoman on Dec 24, 2010 16:26:45 GMT -7
It is totally the guitar output. The amp is exactly what I had hoped with my AVRI Tele...loud, clean and beautiful. Thanks for the suggestions guys. Maybe a 4x10 in the future...but I hate lugging heavy stuff. The Z-Best is already pushing my limit, but for big stage outdoor gigs it is worth it!
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Post by nuclearfishin on Dec 24, 2010 18:39:21 GMT -7
play around with speakers and tube combinations. I've got a SS rectifier in mine and it reduces sag and brings out the punch. If you want clean twang, that will help a lot. I almost sold the head because I couldn't get it to break up, then I found a couple OD pedals that sound killer. Now I think it can cover just about anything. My cab is a 2x12 with a V30 and a g12h30. I used to have a blonde 63 Bassman (blackface) head and the EZG50 just cooks it, hands down. BTW, the bassman head could get plenty of gain so not all BF amps are clean monsters. Good luck!
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Post by mtlrecords on Dec 24, 2010 20:04:35 GMT -7
Glad to hear it was a guitar output, that is good news!
Also, just thinking out loud, but wasn't the "Little Wing" tone a Strat and Marshall 100 watt combination through a 4x12? Not that the EZG can't likely get an approximation of that tone...but I kind of think it may reflect more of a Marshall style clean. I could be totally wrong though.
Cheers!
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Post by Grinchmonkey on Feb 16, 2011 21:13:02 GMT -7
It might depend on which version of Little Wing you want to emulate the tone of.
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