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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 10:53:44 GMT -7
I'm thinking of selling my Stangray head and buying an EZG head. I want a 2X12 cabinet for the EZG. For a more fender twin sound what speakers would be best. I have a Maserati with 2X12 Celestion Blues so I'm thinking I don't want alnico's for the EZG but is this thinking flawed?
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Post by mtlrecords on Aug 17, 2010 10:47:41 GMT -7
I always kind of disliked the Fender Twin sound, so that is hard to answer. My experience is mostly with silverface 70's Twin's and new Reissues, but I usually found the amp to sound only kind of good at ridiculous volumes and that most stock speakers sound kind of stiff.
I would try a Dr. Z 4x10 or, my current favorite, an open back 2x12 cab with greenbacks. Germino makes a great 2x12 for just this purpose, but so do many others. Excellent sounds. I also like Celestion GT-65's in a 2x12...
The EZG, in my opinion, likes multiple speakers best and needs some headroom to sound best.
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Post by Liquids on Aug 25, 2010 7:43:39 GMT -7
I don't have an EZG so take this with that in mind. However, I love the blackface tones. And I don't think there's anything wrong with Twins, or even later silverface amps that get dogged - they sound good to me! though there are 'better' tones for me. I'm almost happy even with a hot rod deluxe. I'm sure the EZG can do all that and so much more.
Lots of guys want and EV/JBL sound twin, while plenty of guys have celestions in their twin, if they prefer that. Do you know what speakers you've liked and disliked in the past?
I'd definitely recommend going to the Eminence site and listening to their samples over, and over. They're the same clip (one for clean, one for OD, one for heavy) looped with the only variable being speaker swaps. I've downloaded all the samples and open them in quicktime...then play them back to back, at various points in the clip, to hear tone under chords vs single notes vs arpeggios, clean, OD, and heavy, etc - it's great. Your ears perk up after you listen to a few back to back by comparison.
Not to say buy eminence (though I think they make tons of great speakers with a LOT of variety), but they have models that 'clone' most of the celestion and even EV speakers, if that's more your taste or availability. It's also good to know the 'reference' you have with certain speakers in realtime, and how you feel about them by comparison and such as you listen.
Personally, I am a recent and huge fan of the Eminence Swamp Thang Speakers. American tone, huge but tight low end, nice and clear American style tone, no buzz, huge wattage rating. I scored them in a cab and am surprisingly in love. From the samples, they seem in the same ballpark are the Cannabis Rex, Texas Heat, and Screamin' Eagle if you're looking for a clear American type speaker. But there are dozens of Eminence 12s that run the gamut of speaker tones.
Lastly, I'd imagine the DR Z cabs are phenomenal - he knows speaker cabs from what I read. If his choice of speakers aren't your style (they happen to not be mine, good as they are), than I'd also put in a good word for the Avatar 2x12. It's huge, affordable, and huge sounding - I'm diggin' the open back I have. They're around used in fair quantity as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 15:28:26 GMT -7
"mtlrecords" - are you using an open back cab with the 12-65's as well as for the Greenbacks? I thought these were mostly used in a closed cab... PLEASE forgive my hijacking sidestep... tom
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Post by mtlrecords on Aug 27, 2010 16:01:24 GMT -7
My Germino has a pair of Greenbacks in an open 2x12 cabinet. My Celestion 12-65's are actually in 2-1x12 cabs, both open, thanks to the flexible Dr. Z design. The Z-Best is closed back, but sounds good too.
My Marshall 1936 cabinet is seeing a lot of use, but those are actually 75 watt Celestion speakers, which sound fine as well. Although, ideally, an open back cab or cabinets seems sweeter to me. Sorry, should have clarified.
With my cabinet options, the EZG-50 sounds best in this order:
1- Germino 2x12 with 25 watt greenbacks 2- Dr. Z 1x12 (pair) with 65 watt Celestions 3- Dr. Z 2x12 Z-Best GT-65 & Vintage 30 4- Orange 4x12 w/ 30 watt Celestions 5- Marshall 1936 w/ 75 watt Celestions 6- Dr. Z 1x12 (single) w 65 watt Celestion
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Post by Darkside on Sept 1, 2010 15:20:54 GMT -7
I've not tried any of the above mentioned speakers but can sat that the EZG sounds truly amazing through the DR Z 4x10!
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Post by BW on Sept 3, 2010 19:25:17 GMT -7
(cue big boned gent playing thru same........thanx John Priest!)
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Post by Jericho on Sept 4, 2010 8:06:24 GMT -7
Ive owed an EZG head. I could play it through: 1x12 Gold 2x12 Gold ZBest Z 4x10. It wasnt even close. The 4x10 was laps ahead for tone. There is so much powerful low end....the open back 4x10 just seemed to let the EZG run free like a racehorse. Yes it was loud, but controllable. No way to make it lighter though
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 14:45:47 GMT -7
There looks like some great ebay prices right now. 3 of them online
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Post by kfkm on Sept 4, 2010 17:39:05 GMT -7
I recently sold my 1x12 and 2x10 z cabs and picked up a 4x10 for my EZG50. All I can say is why didn't I do it sooner? The EZG50 and the 4x10 Dr Z cab were made for each other.
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Post by English John on Sept 7, 2010 4:44:38 GMT -7
it's all about he EZG and 4x10
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Post by Darkside on Sept 7, 2010 11:47:17 GMT -7
Oh Yeah!!!!! ;D
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Post by English John on Sept 7, 2010 13:42:13 GMT -7
sounded pretty big in the pub didn't it gary? :-)
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Sept 9, 2010 6:34:33 GMT -7
it's all about he EZG and 4x10 I thought that too...bought the EZG and the 4x10 at the same time. At first my brain didn't want to hear the "Fendery" EZG with the "British" Celestions in the Z-Best. Later I came around and grew to love that pair...the low end is just killer and Teles sound really fat. I also like the G12-65 with it. I definitely don't like the EZG with Blues or Golds.
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Post by hywelg on Sept 9, 2010 6:43:27 GMT -7
I've got a 4x10 closed back with Jensen P10R's and am not that keen on them. I want to swap them for something else, preferrably Eminence as they're cheap. The problem is I can't figure out which.
I asked Eminence which of their stock range would be closest to the Z 10's but they wouldn't commit themselves.
Anyone tried various 10's?
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Post by pintail78 on Sept 9, 2010 12:27:01 GMT -7
i used my ezg with an eminence big ben in a 115 cab, it sounded great.
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Sept 9, 2010 12:50:36 GMT -7
The Z 10s are a kind of unique sounding speaker. To me they kind of mix British and American attributes with a little something else mixed in...just like Zs amps ;D
They've got a great low end, kind of like my Weber P10N's, a clear but non-spiky high end like a good old Jensen and a sort of forward (but not Celestion-spiky) midrange that kind of reminds me of a Fane. They take a lot of power and like a lot of power...the 4x10 really needs an amp like an EZG-50 or KT-45 to come alive. Not that it sounds bad with a MAZ 18 or Ghia, I'm jest' sayin'. I've never heard an Eminence that sounded quite like 'em but I definitely haven't heard all the Eminences.
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Post by Liquids on Sept 17, 2010 6:54:25 GMT -7
I'd really like to hear how they compare as a reference. From the Eminence tone samples, with the exception of the Red Fang 10, Eminence has voiced their 10's darker than the majority of their 12's, believe it or not.
What 10s may (or may not) lack in 'sub' lows, they seem to make up for in low mids, which makes them 'feel' dark and warm. The Legend 10s are voiced more toward balanced sounding, but they don't sound bright to me at all.
I'm sure that the Zs are great speakers, just like all his amps are, but the point is more that it's hard to know if they'd be "for me," just as not every Z amp is ideal for every player, and some match better than others.
Since they are kind of proprietary (unlike the 12s the doc uses) it's hard to know what they sound like. I'd sure love a comparison between the Z 10s and some other 10s for a reference!
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