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Post by robertt on Jun 6, 2007 9:36:50 GMT -7
After considering the Airbrake and other attenuators, I've opted for the Weber MiniMASS in a 25w config (Ted Weber's recommendation for the Maz18jr). I also ordered the stereo cable to plug headphones into it.
The reason I didn't get an Airbrake: 1) price and capacity; I don't need a 100w capacity so why pay for it? If the AB could be had in a 25w model for less...
2) Line Out; the MiniMASS will allow me to record the Maz18jr directly AND I can use headphones and hear the Maz (looking fwd to see how this works out...)
I'll post once I've tried it out.
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Post by robertt on Jun 7, 2007 4:55:04 GMT -7
oops, it seems that I am mistaken re using the headphone cable from the Weber site with the MiniMASS. Ted tells me that this cable is only for the Headphone tap (another box) and is not for the Line Out of the MiniMASS.
I should be able to plug the Line Out into an interface like the Line6 TonePort and then into a computer and use either the headphone out of the TonePort or the computer. I'll try it once I get the MiniMASS...
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Post by martymcfly on Jun 10, 2007 12:31:27 GMT -7
I use the 50W Mini Mass primarily for home use with my Fender Blues Deluxe, and am pretty impressed with it.
I have not yet compared it to an Airbrake, though. If anyone has, I'd love to hear their feedback.
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Post by dixiechicken on Jun 26, 2007 15:23:55 GMT -7
Have ordered a Weber MiniMass 50W, last week. I's on it's way havent received it yet. Will try with with my current amp a "modded" Fender Blues DeVille, when it arrives.
Ordered the MiniMass to use it with my Route66 that's on order. ETA late July. Price was the overriding factor.
Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by dixiechicken on Jul 3, 2007 13:14:04 GMT -7
My Weber MiniMass 50W has hit the FedEx tracking system arrived today at Memphis Tennesse. International ecocnomy shipping - so it'll be some days yet - before it arrives here in Sweden. Time to bring out the soldering-station, oxygenfree copper cable 2.5mm and two switchcraft-connectors. Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by robertt on Jul 6, 2007 12:37:35 GMT -7
Received the 25W MiniMass.
Installation on Maz18jr:
You have to remove both holders for the amps speaker wire. Once you've plugged the cable into the MiniMass (on top of the amp) you can reinstall the top holder to secure the amp's speaker cable. The MiniMass doesn't have enough clearance to put it over the carrying handle but does sit okay on the left or right. Mine is on the right.
First test:
The MiniMass works! Very nice attenuation. I find that it actually takes allot of the hiss out of the amp when cranked. The 3db/6db treble boost works well when attenuated very low. The curve of attenuation is rather sudden from 0 to the minimum setting. It works very well for playing without disturbing others in the house. You can also turn it up more and not disturb them too much either.
Line Out:
I also have a Line6 Toneport UX1. This digital interface can be used for two purposes; 1- listen to the amp via headphones, 2- record the amp without use of a mic.
Headphones: you must input from LineOut to the Stereo Monitor in (pull back 1\8" using a mono cable and you'll hear the sound in both ears, it also "clicks" in and doesn't move easily out of place) The Toneport also has a volume control for the headphone jack. This is very cool, you're listening to the actual amp via headphones. An interesting phenomenon (maybe it's just me...) but when listening with headphones the Treble boost actually seems to cut out treble hiss whereas the same switch adds treble when used live. Maybe this is because I use lots of attenuation live and not so much via the headphones?)
Recording: to record into Garage Band for example; plus from LineOut directly into the Instrument input in front of the TonePort (headphones work during recording if you have the monitor function on in the recording software). This actually works, look ma no mic!
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Post by dixiechicken on Jul 6, 2007 14:10:31 GMT -7
Has departed FedEx location in Paris, FR -- well well.... ;D
Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by bustertheboy on Jul 7, 2007 0:56:03 GMT -7
I've been using a 25w minimass for a few years and just contacted Ted with a 'problem'. There is a big gap between minimum attenuation and bypass in the 4ohm mode. I noticed this isn't the case in 16ohm and is less so in the 8. Ted said it's fine to use either setting and it's due to the output transformer being 'soft'. A switchable level? I only use the other ohmage settings if I need that in between level. Anyone with the same experiences? Brett
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Post by dixiechicken on Jul 9, 2007 2:40:40 GMT -7
It's getting closer to home. Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by dixiechicken on Jul 10, 2007 4:29:56 GMT -7
Well it's economy shipping after all.... Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by mentalray on Jul 10, 2007 5:29:19 GMT -7
I own both Air Brake and MiniMASS and if I compare them... I must say that I don´t like the Weber -sorry. The Air Brake keeps the tone much better.
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Post by dixiechicken on Jul 10, 2007 8:37:31 GMT -7
My decision to go with the Weber was primarily money based - about 1/3 of the cost for an Airbrake. We'll se how it works out.
Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by bustertheboy on Jul 12, 2007 1:11:54 GMT -7
I own both Air Brake and MiniMASS and if I compare them... I must say that I don´t like the Weber -sorry. The Air Brake keeps the tone much better. Ted himself said that the Weber works best at or near minimum attenuation- that's what I use it for- it allows me to keep the amp just at the edge of distortion and turn up as the night goes on. I usually keep it at minimum attenuation on the 4 ohm and turn to 8 ohm then off. Brett
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Post by dixiechicken on Jul 12, 2007 2:53:03 GMT -7
Lo and behold - My Minimass 50W - arrived 10 minutes ago as I'm typing this. Tried it out at home on low volume of course - got to stay friends with the neighbors. Situation:Amp an old Music Man RD112 - 50W Tube/solid state hybrid with an old Celestion G-12 125 W. Every control on the Mass does what it says it does i.e. no obvious defects in/on the unit. ( I didn't expect any either ) At low volumes ( bedroom volume ) the bright switch works a bit too much. Not much use for the +6dB position. This may change at higher volumes. Tonight I'll bring the amp down to the rehearsal studio and crank it up. The unit seems sturdily built. The shaft of the volume rheostat is metal which is good. But the shaft has NOT been shortened - so the chickenhead knob is 2cm off - from the front plate which looks a little ridiculous. I'll post another report after a more exhaustive test drive, so far so good. Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by dixiechicken on Jul 12, 2007 12:46:53 GMT -7
OK guitarslingers around the world - I promised a follow up on the Weber Minimass 50W - I got today. Just got back from the rehearsal studio where spent 2 hours putting it through it's paces. The amp I used was my old Music Man RD-112 50W with a Celestion G12-125W speaker. ( it's a combo open back ) I also used the amp with a separate horn loaded 1X12" enclosure loaded with an Electro Voice EVM 12" ( 100-200W something I don't remember )Short summary: It works great - you can now stop reading this. ;D 1) I could NOT detect any coloration of the sound at all Amp volume clean channel at 8, Volume at the Weber set at 5-6 down from 10 10 is straight through - full volume 2) At the 8 ohm settings I could NOT detect any volume drop at all just by plugging in the Weber. ( some have reported this ) 3) At bedroom level I thought the bright switch +3dB & +6dB was boosting the treble way to much. At rehearsal level this is NOT so at all, on the contrary the slight lift of the higher mids is much more subtle, I think it will work great with humbuckers. 4) I think the G12-125W does not work very well with this amp now. The distortion sounded grainy and scattered to my ears. 5) The hornloaded EV 12-EVM on the other hand sounded huge smooth & mellow with a huge bottom end that quite frankly the amp doesn't handle very well. The low G to E sounded a rather mushy. With my Tele and the neck-pickup i had to turn down the bass control on the amp. It will be very interesting to try out the EVM with the Route66. I'm pleasantly surprised with the Weber so far, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to anyone. I feel confident it will work out well for me - of course I have not gotten my Route yet - so there is one more hurdle to pass. Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 13, 2007 15:09:26 GMT -7
My 66 sounds good with my EV 12 which is in a totally sealed small cab.
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Post by bluzman on Jul 18, 2007 20:00:54 GMT -7
I have the Weber Mass and Power Dump, and an airbrake.
I am happy with all of them... dollar value I like the Weber stuff alot. My Weber attenuators are pretty old and look nothing like the new packaging they are now in, but they work great.
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Post by Michael Bartee on Aug 29, 2007 13:13:28 GMT -7
I also got the 50 watt Mini-Mass. It works great with my Ghia. There is a drop in level from bypass to engaged at minimum attenuation setting but it's not a problem in my case. The tone switch does seem to be much more pronounced at high attenuation settings than at slight attenuation. I probably won't use that feature, i'll just use the Ghia's tone control if I want more treble at low volume. I am very pleased with the Weber.
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