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Post by mitch8686 on Mar 21, 2010 19:34:36 GMT -7
I've got a Z 2-12 open back cab that I'm thinking about reloading. Currently, it has a Weber Blue Alnico 30w and a Weber Silver Alnico 30w. They sound good with it, but I had to wire them in series @ 16 0hms to run it with the Gal. Doc said no worries about it, but I want to run my 1-12 along with my 2-12 using the extension tap. Problem is, my 1-12 is @ 8 ohms.
I know the easiest (and cheapest) thing to do would be to replace the speaker in the 1-12, but I want to just go ahead and make everything 8 ohms across the board. Plus, the 1-12 has a WGS et-65 (g12-65 clone) in it and it is killer.
So, my question is: What would you guys put in a 2-12 with the Gal? I like Alnicos alot but I'm thinking I'd like an Alnico/Ceramic combo this go around. The Blue/Silver combo just lacks a little low-end thump. If I decided to just keep the cab 16 ohms, I'd keep the blue and sell the Silver. I was thinking about putting another et-65 with it. Any other ideas? Thanks in advance for the input.
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Post by mtlrecords on Mar 21, 2010 20:10:46 GMT -7
Surprisingly (to some I would assume) a pair of greenbacks sounds pretty good, especially on the higher gain channel of the Galaxie. I have an open-back Germino cab with a pair of Greenbacks and it sounds great. The Galaxie sounds best to me though through my Orange 4x12 cab...so that probably doesn't help.
I know Z loves to use Celstion 65 type speakers, but they need to be broken in a bunch!
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Post by mitch8686 on Mar 21, 2010 20:44:39 GMT -7
Thanks for the info. You know, now that u mention it, I think I remember reading that T-Rock uses greenbacks with his Gal. The thing is, when I first got this cab, it had Greenies in it. At the time, I had a Maz Jr and I just wasn't diggin them. So, I went with the Webers to see how Alnicos sounded with it. I kinda wish I had them back now But, they were still wired up for 4 ohms parallel, so I'd still be in the same situation Ohms-wise. I'll keep them in mind, though.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Mar 22, 2010 6:27:22 GMT -7
Greenbacks + Galaxie = ;D
I have a 2x12 open w/Weber blue/silver that I really like w/the Galaxie as well.
As for the ext. tap....You can use it w/the 8ohm speaker you have, regardless of the the other cab. I also got a Weber Z-matcher to use w/the Galaxie, as I have cabs of all different ohm configs. It works like a champ, and is a hella lot cheaper than replacing speakers.
Your lack of low end on those Webers may be due to the ohm mismatch. FWIW.......
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Post by mitch8686 on Mar 22, 2010 8:52:11 GMT -7
Thanks alot Tony! I was hoping you'd chime in. So let me get this straight, if I have my 2-12 16ohm cab plugged into the primary tap, I can plug the 1-12 8 ohm cab into the extension tap? If so, does it work either way?
Weber Z-matcher, huh? That'd be cool cuz then I'd just rewire my 2-12 back to 4 ohms, so it would be parallel just in case a speaker ever blew.
As far as speakers go, I know you like the Greenies, but what do you think about the g12-65/ weber blue (30w) combo? It would actually be a WGS g12 clone (which is in my 1-12 and I really dig) because they're half of the celestion ones :-)
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Mar 22, 2010 9:07:04 GMT -7
Yeah man...it's 8 ohms out of the Galaxie on each tap, regardless of what you plug them into.
I dig the 12-65. It's like a higher powered greenback. That, + a Weber blue would prolly sound pretty good, but I'm guessing the Silver would go better w/it. Try 'em both.
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Post by Curt on Mar 22, 2010 9:27:28 GMT -7
Tony's Galaxie > His Silver/Blue combo is astounding, tone to die for.
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Post by mitch8686 on Mar 22, 2010 9:30:55 GMT -7
Ok, cool! Thanks Tony, I had no idea that they were independent like that. I figured that you couldn't have an impedance mismatch between them. Well, that changes how I may go about this then. Time to break out the soldering iron and swap some speakers :-)
I looked at the Z-matcher, too. It looks cool, do you use the 50 watter or the 100?
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Post by mitch8686 on Mar 22, 2010 9:36:02 GMT -7
Tony's Galaxie > His Silver/Blue combo is astounding, tone to die for. I dig it with my Gal, too. I was just curious if anyone else had tried another combination of the Weber Blue and something else. I like the smooth compression that they have, but for whatever reason, my Strat seems to like the single g12-65 better. Thanks for the input guys, sounds like I've got some experimenting to do. :-)
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Post by Jan on Mar 22, 2010 13:22:35 GMT -7
Hi Mitch. Yup, the Galaxie is unique in the Dr Z line in having a useable extension cabinet out. The other Z amps are all of the "use only one" output persuasion. Z is using the original Triad OT from the Tweed Super days, IIRC, which was designed to be able to handle two separate 8 Ohm loads.
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Post by mitch8686 on Mar 22, 2010 18:34:50 GMT -7
Hey Jan, thanks for the input. Yeah, I was aware of the output being separate 8 ohm loads, I just wanted to make sure that I was understanding T-Rock correctly. I didn't know that it was safe to run am 8 ohm load into the main tap and a 16 ohm load into the extension tap, or vice versa. I figured they had to both be 8 ohm loads to avoid an impedence mismatch. That's why I was gonna swap speakers to turn my 2-12 into an 8 ohm cab wired in parallel. Thanks everyone for chiming in!!
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Mar 23, 2010 12:06:18 GMT -7
Ok, cool! Thanks Tony, I looked at the Z-matcher, too. It looks cool, do you use the 50 watter or the 100? Not sure, bruthr...I got it off a forum member, but....it's the sliver one. The 50 is about 1/2 the price of the 100(IRRC), and w/(most)Z amps, I figure that's all you'll need. You can also run two seperate cabs out of it, AND......it's got an XLR out w/level for going direct. A lotta options for the munny...IMO. You cud run the Z-matcher to your 4ohm cab, and direct(from the amp) to your 8ohm cab(either tap)....and still go direct to a board for recording. In fact, I use the XLR/level out, w/amps-cabs that don't need to be matched(set the in/out ohms the same, and use it to run 2 cabs + direct). The direct out, + speaker mic, is sometimes exactly what a recording needs. w/ the Galaxie(8 Ohm only), I cuddn't get by w/out it.
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Post by mitch8686 on Mar 25, 2010 9:31:29 GMT -7
Ok, cool! Thanks Tony, I looked at the Z-matcher, too. It looks cool, do you use the 50 watter or the 100? Not sure, bruthr...I got it off a forum member, but....it's the sliver one. The 50 is about 1/2 the price of the 100(IRRC), and w/(most)Z amps, I figure that's all you'll need. You can also run two seperate cabs out of it, AND......it's got an XLR out w/level for going direct. A lotta options for the munny...IMO. You cud run the Z-matcher to your 4ohm cab, and direct(from the amp) to your 8ohm cab(either tap)....and still go direct to a board for recording. In fact, I use the XLR/level out, w/amps-cabs that don't need to be matched(set the in/out ohms the same, and use it to run 2 cabs + direct). The direct out, + speaker mic, is sometimes exactly what a recording needs. w/ the Galaxie(8 Ohm only), I cuddn't get by w/out it. Man, I gots to get me one of those! You're right, it is alot of bang for the buck. I'm thinking about maybe gettin' a couple of WGS Greenback clones ($140 for both of 'em) to put in my 2-12 just to see how I like 'em. It's a fairly inexpensive experiment and I'm sure they'll sound good. We'll see.....
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Post by mitch8686 on Apr 11, 2010 1:00:00 GMT -7
Ok, so, I've got an update. I ended up just plugging up both cabs. WOW! It sounds awesome. At first, something wasn't quite right, so I checked the wiring in the cabs, and the 1-12 was out of phase. Quick fix and man oh man, what a sound!! The ohm mismatch between the two cabs actually helped to balance things out. One doesn't overpower the other and the ceramic 1-12 helps keep the upper-mids and highs that the Alnicos tend to lose when they start to compress. But, the 2-12 helps to fill out the bass that the 1-12 just doesn't produce on it's own. So far, I think that I like the 2-12 plugged into the primary and the 1-12 into the extension, but that may change, the jury's still out on that. But anyway, I'm loving this setup. Thanks for all of the advice guys, it was a huge help! Plus, the 1-12 on top of the 2-12 with the head on top looks cool, too ;D
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