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Post by John on Dec 9, 2009 5:57:28 GMT -7
I finally got the chance to crank the Remedy up and compare the V30 in a closed back, against my greenback in an openback (or semi open...Avatar vintage cab).
As I stated before, I did this comparison with the V30 in an open back cab....and I didn't like the V30. The Greenback won with ease. Even thought the V30 is well broken in, it still sounded upper mid focused in the open back. But a week ago, I put the V30 in a closed back and took it to a loud rehearsal. It sounded really good, and I kicked myself that I didn't bring the greenback cab for comparison.
So last night was the comparison. The two speakers sounded much closer to each other in tone. The V30 had a nice bottom end...even for a real small cabinet. (LOPO brand you see on Ebay)
But the Greenback, with it's lush mids still won. The nice low end of the V30/closed back is making me wonder what the greenback would sound like in a closed back. WILL THE SEARCH EVER END!
If I were to play a LOUD gig, I'd take the V30, as the greenback would be fried by the Remedy on full power.
Now here's the odd thing: Each speaker when played alone, sounded better than both speakers used together. I was fully expecting the use of both speakers to have that 'dual speaker magic', but was shocked at the loss of tone. I don't think they're out of phase. There was a noticeable loss of fidelity.
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Post by eliot1025 on Dec 9, 2009 11:18:35 GMT -7
I'm guessing here, but if you were using them together with one in an open cab and the other in a closed cab that might cause some phasing problems since more of the sound from the open cab is reflected off the walls of the room. I've always wondered about the consequences of that configuration.
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Post by John on Dec 9, 2009 11:31:24 GMT -7
That did occur to me.
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Post by taswegian on Dec 9, 2009 17:00:09 GMT -7
Well I have a custom Celestian speaker that is basically a 35 watt greenback in a closed back cab. Sounds like that should sound pretty darn nice with the Remedy!
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Post by Ryan (shorty) on Dec 10, 2009 10:38:17 GMT -7
WILL THE SEARCH EVER END! No. I've been running my Remedy through a G12-65 and really dig it, but I've been wanting to try out the V30 again. Sounds like a good project for tonight. BTW..Full Power with the 65 is rediculous...in a good way.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Dec 15, 2009 9:49:01 GMT -7
WILL THE SEARCH EVER END! No. I've been running my Remedy through a G12-65 and really dig it, but I've been wanting to try out the V30 again. Sounds like a good project for tonight. BTW..Full Power with the 65 is rediculous...in a good way. Open or closed back with the 12-65? Just curious, eh
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Post by Ryan (shorty) on Dec 15, 2009 20:47:06 GMT -7
I have a convertable cab, so....yes. Right now it's open, but I had it closed for a while. I like it better with the back baffle off.
Cheers
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Post by abner on Nov 18, 2016 6:00:38 GMT -7
Now here's the odd thing: Each speaker when played alone, sounded better than both speakers used together. I was fully expecting the use of both speakers to have that 'dual speaker magic', but was shocked at the loss of tone. I don't think they're out of phase. There was a noticeable loss of fidelity. Mine kinda does the opposite: a Vintage 30 sounded terrible, and a G12H-30 Anniversary sounded just OK. But, together in a 2x12", it's the best tone I've ever had. Don't know why, though
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Post by John on Nov 18, 2016 7:54:22 GMT -7
I can tell you why:
The V30 has an mid spike in tone. Some like it, some don't. (it really offends a lot of people) The G12H has recessed mids, but big bass and crispy high end.
They offset each other and blend really well.
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Post by texan2step on Nov 24, 2016 14:45:12 GMT -7
I have a convertable cab, so....yes. Right now it's open, but I had it closed for a while. I like it better with the back baffle off. Cheers I bought an ET-65 by WGS and I agree. I prefer that speaker closed back for some reason. It's not that it sounds badly in a closed back, but it sounds so much better open backed to my ear.
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Nov 27, 2016 7:55:33 GMT -7
its been a min since I owned a remedy, however I didn't realize the mods now available? could possibly steer me back, however I tried this amp with every speaker I owned and at that time I had everything from original fanes to original 12m's and then some , still have the originals but I found the v30 just too mhonky, I used the 12-65 which I had 4 of at one time from an old early 80's 4x12 marshall only to be swapped out by a mojotone bv30 which was amazing right out of the box and the mids were not as harsh, however I had my original 12m's one being a cremeback in my z 2x12 forever and they took the cake with all my amps but especially with the remedy. Greenbacks have a very special tone at low to higher volumes IMO, I have shelved my 12Ms fear of damaging. I have a brand new in box 12m 75 watter cremeback however its not broke in wish I could have tried when I had the remedy. I have a friend who uses 2 of the marshall 1936's 2x12's loaded with v30's They sound amazing, maybe its due to 100% closed? maybe its the JCM 800's? I have had no luck with v30 in my applications 1x12 2x12 all of my amps, the definitely sound better pushed
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Post by abner on Dec 12, 2016 10:40:44 GMT -7
Actually, the 75 Watt Creamback has a heavy (H, not "M") magnet, hence the name "G12H75"
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Post by Faze on Feb 21, 2017 9:22:19 GMT -7
When I had my remedys I tried quite a few speakers with it. The V30 was horrible. I liked the gold with it. I also tried two greenbacks in the z-best cab and with a les Paul that scenario was awesome. I finally ended up with a 1/12 cab creamback. It's one of docs best amps imho.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Feb 21, 2017 10:42:10 GMT -7
I miss my Remedy .... my favorite combination was the V-30 and H-30 in a Z-bestThat said, a Remedy with a Z 210 was purty nice too. Cheers always Joel
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Post by abner on Jun 1, 2017 14:02:40 GMT -7
Update: I replaced the V30 in my Z 2x12" with a chinese Greenback and could not be happier. The enhanced mids sound much fuller than the V30, and the Greenback compliments nicely the other speaker in the cab (G12H-30 Anniversary)
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Post by herbiedeez on Jun 6, 2017 18:48:01 GMT -7
I have tried my non mv remedy through greenbacks in a closed back 2x12, greenbacks in an open 2x12, black backs in a closed 2x12, creambacks in a z best closed 2x12, v30/g12h30 in a closed 2x12 among others. My Remedy sounds best through a wgs et65/v30 mix and it's not even a close contest. I have that mix in both open back and closed back cabs and notice no difference in tone either way. Last night I compared this setup to a Friedman Small Box. The Friedman was impressive (channel 1 with the gain cranked was instant Rich Robinson tone for instance) but hands down I prefer the Remedy. This magical beast from the good Dr and my 65 Super Reverb are the 2 amps I can't live without.
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Post by John E. on Jun 9, 2017 11:36:01 GMT -7
I have 2 different setups. The one I use at church is a Z Backline 2x12 closed back with V30's. I like it but it seems to work best with lower gain for some reason. For my recording setup I have a closed back 2x12 with greenbacks and its HEAVENLY
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Post by John on Jun 9, 2017 15:49:24 GMT -7
I have 2 different setups. The one I use at church is a Z Backline 2x12 closed back with V30's. I like it but it seems to work best with lower gain for some reason. For my recording setup I have a closed back 2x12 with greenbacks and its HEAVENLY The 2x12 w V30's is going to sound rather heavy metal-ish...especially for a church setting. Of course, it's also 'what you play and how you play it'. Which can over ride any particular sound/tone. But yeah....greenbacks in a closed cabinet with the Remedy....THE BEST!
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Post by abner on Aug 10, 2017 13:42:26 GMT -7
If I had to chose one speaker for the Remedy, it would be a G12H-30. But, for some reason, I prefer to mix it with a Greenback than having two G12H-30. The G12H-30 has a bold, low-mid tone with lots of clarity, while the Greenback has smooth high-mids
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