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Post by bubs42 on Sept 29, 2008 8:55:58 GMT -7
Ok, when the Doc says that the SRZ is a better Jcm800 are we talking early JCM 800. Like the JMP 2204's or are they completely different than the JMP Verticle inputs/ early JCM.
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Post by brad737 on Sept 29, 2008 9:16:26 GMT -7
Hi Bubs,
The SRZ is very reminiscent of a 2204, but with more clarity. I'd say it's like a JCM that's been modded by an outfit like Voodoo Amps or Lee Jackson. Think of it as a handwired JCM with better transformers, and a cleaner (not less gainy), more pure tone, with a usable Master Volume. You can find used JCM 800s all day long. Then when you add in the $600 to $1000 to have them modded, you're looking at at least $1500 for a modded, used amp. or you can get the SRZ, which kicks massive gluteus right out of the box.
If you have any other questions, please let me know.
bs
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Post by jbgtr on Sept 29, 2008 9:22:32 GMT -7
I just emailed Brent today when I saw it is back on the website!
He told me it is based around the 2204.....I really want one!
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Post by bubs42 on Sept 29, 2008 9:34:21 GMT -7
Well I've wanted one for some time, and have some great offers from the guy's here on the Limited and the 6545, but I don't know why but I want a Large Box, Old School Z. Call me crazy, but that's what I want. Thanks for the input fella's keep it coming if you got more info or somthing to add.
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Post by jbgtr on Sept 29, 2008 14:35:13 GMT -7
I have the "45 side" of the 6545, the KT45. Its by far, my favorite amp I have ever owned. And I am trying to think of things to sell in order to get a SRZ65!
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Oct 2, 2008 17:17:47 GMT -7
I have the "45 side" of the 6545, the KT45. Its by far, my favorite amp I have ever owned. And I am trying to think of things to sell in order to get a SRZ65! You won't be disappointed. It's a lot more than "just a better JCM" in my opinion. Everything from the tone controls to the output transformer is first class- the Doc threw a few of his tricks in there. I've had mine (a Limited Edition) for quite a while and I love it!
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Post by bubs42 on Oct 2, 2008 18:25:59 GMT -7
Well, i'm going to keep my eye out for a limited as well. I saw one on ebay and I decided that I think I would like the limited as much as an old school one. Thanks for the input fella's.
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Post by dex45 on Nov 29, 2009 22:57:15 GMT -7
I would say the SRZ-65 is about as close as I've come to the "total amp". I can change the preamp tubes & it's a Marshall or Hiwatt. It has the best sweep of any Master Volume amp I've ever played. Sounds like a B.S. generalization. You have to work with the tone controls with each & every guitar you plug into it. Bottom line.. You can always dial it in.
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Nov 30, 2009 6:01:23 GMT -7
It's what made me purchase my SRZ to begin with! I have the Original design which isn't much different other than the smaller streamline box it comes in. I had a 97' DSL 100 It was a fabulous amp and it was 2 CH! which I prefer, however I can take my SRZ from Screaming Texas Blues Tones like SRV, Freddie King, to Raging Metal! It is so much more transparent and clear, Thats because like Brad Mentioned above, It uses premium Trans, Sprague,Atomic Caps and other premium Components. I have heard A Modded 800, Yes it was Killer but only in a very narrow range, That's Metal type gain. The SRZ in MHO is the most Versitile Amp by far the Doc has ever produced, It will be going strong years from now, Just like the other amps on my List below! No Disrepect to JM The 1959Plexi Handwired is a great amp but big$$$$$
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Post by troutstrat on Dec 4, 2009 11:01:17 GMT -7
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Dec 4, 2009 15:34:28 GMT -7
Iwouldn't say that the Circuitry is Cloned cause The Docs Design is his, However It is safe to say that the SRZ is Definitely a close runner to the 50 Watt Vertical Input JCM 800 I have a friend who owns one and it is a crunch machine. It not a Tone Monster Like My SRZ, It also not hand wired, PTP and doesn't use Quality Components Like The doc Uses. Someone correct me if I'm wrong? My SRZ is an original design and I dont think anything has changed except for Physical features, such as Mine is a large Box, It has Tube Reverb an also an internal cooling Fan! I wouldnt sell that amp for anything well.... You know what I mean! It's that Good! IMHO I think The SRZ may be one of the best Design The Doc has done! It covers alot of tones especially wehn using different speakers! LONG LIVE THE SRZ!!!!!
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Post by troutstrat on Dec 4, 2009 21:29:58 GMT -7
LONG LIVE THE SRZ INDEED!
According to the links in my last post above, the 2204 referred to JMP's from '75-81. Then, the 2204 was also the model number of the JCM 50w Heads after that period; who really cares. Let's talk more about the SRZ anyway.
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Dec 5, 2009 1:35:07 GMT -7
I may end up getting another SRZ just to have, I love the SRZ! It works night after night!
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Post by bubs42 on Dec 5, 2009 16:30:43 GMT -7
Mine was very Plexi, very articulate, crunchy when pushed and Loud. I so wanted one but I found that if I pushed the volume down and the Master up to drive it the amp I found the amp harsh and bright. I also tried the amp with a Dr. z Airbrake and didn't like that combo either. I have played a few JCM 800 100watters and the SRZ sounds more like the 100 than the 50. I have seem my SRZ on ebay two or three times. It could have just beent that amp and thats what bothers me. I almost want another just to know.
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Post by niner on Dec 5, 2009 18:22:10 GMT -7
The SRZ is a bright amp for sure...but it should not be harsh....it does not take too long to dial it in with most any rig . One thing that I have noticed is speaker selection is real important with this amp....because it is so bright.....That said I think the SRZ is best for situations were you can turn it up.....and get those power tubes pushed...that gives it more growl and less bite....still a lot of bite though. I tryed it with my 16 ohm hotplate . that works ok for lower vol. but sounds much better w/out the attenuator. The SRZ is my go to gig amp....from blues to metal ...this amp has something special about it.... )
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Dec 6, 2009 11:55:12 GMT -7
Bright??? I have never had any issues with Bright? Maybe to much Bottom end? Well and anothe rthing is I use all Original RCA Blackplate Tubes in the Preamp Section! I also use a Jan-Phillips USA in the 12AT7 spots! If you change out you preamp tubes you will dramatically notice a change! You can find NOS tubes that are great all day for aloto less than say The RCA's mentioned they are hard to find and also very $$$ High! Do you run the presence really high?
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Post by niner on Dec 6, 2009 15:51:22 GMT -7
I'm running tung-sol 12AX7's sorted for high gain in V1 and V2 and a balanced LPS for the PI.. stock JJ rect..and the JJ 34's.....I set the presence low @ 9:00, bass@3:00, mid@ 9:00, treb@ 3:00, the vol @ 10:00 (for gigs), and the gain@ noon....I do have that treble up, and I play a strat. but with no effects my SRZ sounds bright to me.......I can get a real warm , round sound w/ plenty of grit and punch....but I love turning that treble up for big harmonic sustain.....It just screams...and cuts through the mix without being harsh.....the SRZ replaced my VHT D60 head. I still have it and I think it sounds great......but the SRZ is just better sounding.....I remember when I first got the SRZ over a year ago...I brought it to practice before a show...I asked the guys if I should try the SRZ for the gig.. and all three in unison yelled YES !!!!!! When I asked them why, they said my tone was more "clear" and one guy said It was the best that I have ever sounded and that it kicked a**.... That was enough for me....the SRZ is a magical amp IMHO....
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Dec 7, 2009 8:17:40 GMT -7
The treble up and using a strat thats why its bright, I use Les Pauls, SG's and strats but my Settings are usaully? Depending on which Speaker Config I using Pres, 10 Oclock Bass 2-3 Mid 3 and treb 2-3 That brings the Guotar really through the mix, When Im going for that heavy Saturation sound? I will scoop the mids to about 12 The Gain is always at 2 oclock regardless of where volume is! When you need new tubes try out The Tung Sol EL34's thats what I m running right now, They are pricey but worth it! They are are with 1/2 an amp from each other which in my book is excellent tube bias Matching
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