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Post by asattwanger on Sept 2, 2008 9:19:23 GMT -7
When you really start pushing this thing how loud does it get for a 50 watter? How clean can it be a max volume or how loud and still be faily clean?
DAVE
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Post by cashandkerouac on Sept 2, 2008 10:24:55 GMT -7
LOUD and CLEAN. i love it!!!! i have both an EZG-50 and KT-45. i've never had either opened up full without the use of an Air Brake, but the EZG-50 has more clean head room. to be honest, there is no significant break up/distortion on the EZG without the use of a pedal. previous to the EZG-50, the general consensus was that the KT had the most clean headroom. i'd have to say that the EZG has now taken over that spot in the Z lineup.
also, please know that the posts about the bass on the EZG are all accurate. i have never owned an amp that has this much bass on tap. it can be about as big/extreme as the reverb, and that's big! in my opinion that's a good thing, but for some folks it may be too much.
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Post by Lonny Caughron on Sept 2, 2008 10:49:46 GMT -7
How loud is this amp?
I don't know what my neighbors think but I've had things fall off the walls ;D ;D ;D ;D. The bass and reverb on this amp are amazing.
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Post by janlf on Sept 2, 2008 12:39:05 GMT -7
Hi, guys.
Yeah, loud and clean. Depending on the guitar and the cab, but it's got way more clean headroom than my '64 Super reverb and I'm tempted to say it heading towards my Twin reverb. Of course not that clean, but it's gettin´up there with it at least with a singelcoil guitar. But, as pointed out above here, way tighter and more bass than any Fender-ish amp I've ever played or owned.
Greetings, Jan.
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Post by asattwanger on Sept 2, 2008 13:45:48 GMT -7
Ok, so a couple things are very clear. It has massive amounts of bass and reverb. You guys and other threads seam to show it stays pretty clean with a couple mentioning the dimed sound verse pedals.
Now lets compair volumes. I'm not in a volume war, but I want to compair it to amps that I'm very familar with without getting into low powered amps.
Mesa Maverick - 35 watts 4 x El-84's Soldano ROS - 50 watts 2 x 6L6's {not the loudest 50 watts} Blues Deluxe - 40 watts 2 x 6L6's {very loud 40 watts} SF Bassman "Drip edge" 50 watts 2x 6L6 {loud 50watts} Marshall Club & Country - 100 watts 4 x ? {not a loud 100 watts} Marshall SLP 100 - 100 watts 4 x EL-34 {smokin 100 watts}
While my Z-28 is generaly as loud as I need to get {kinda keeps the levels reasonable}. I would like to get a cleaner sound at the loudest Z-28 volume. I know this isn't an issue, but when I would want or need volume to burn. I would like to hang with some power. Generaly the Bassman and Blues Deluxe running together when we are letting it hang out and destroying our hearing.
Thanks, DAVE
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Post by cashandkerouac on Sept 2, 2008 16:36:25 GMT -7
i've not played any of those amps, so i can't comment on any comparisons.
i do have an old Bandmaster Reverb Silver Face (as i think they all were). it's 40 watts, 2x6L6. i guess that's about as close as i can come to the SF Bassman comparison. the EZG is louder and definitely has more clean headroom than the Bandmaster Reverb. the Bandmaster will start to break up at around "6". with the EZG-50 at the same setting, it's as clean as clean can be (and louder).
i also have a Marshall JCM800 100 watt combo. it has been modded to run on (2) El-34s rather than (4), but it still puts out 72 watts. the JCM is definitely louder than the EZG... no doubt about it. but the EZG still has more clean headroom.
hope this info helps somewhat.
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Post by asattwanger on Sept 6, 2008 12:31:24 GMT -7
Talked to a sales guy today that had played BF Bassman's for many years and he gave some pretty good ideas about the over all volumes and user differences between Bassman and EZG-50. With the EZG being alot more conrolable through out the volume range, the volume surley be equal to if not louder than a Bassman and no where nearly as dirty.
DAVE
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Post by cashandkerouac on Sept 6, 2008 18:32:24 GMT -7
the master volume circuit on the EZG is wonderful. it works quite well with this amp. i have a feeling that the Doc will be using master volume circuits on all the higher wattage offerings for a while. it makes sense. few people can really get into the sweet spot of a 50-watter without an Air Brake or a master volume. the Air Brake is great, but i prefer the master volume.
and yes, even with the pre-amp maxed there is not much dirt. the sound is clean, but it's fat... and very bouncy. just the perfect amp for my personal style and taste.
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Post by asattwanger on Sept 6, 2008 18:46:42 GMT -7
You know I hear alot of people saying that they can't play at or near the sweet spot in thier amps. Ok on the bigger amp I understand, but in CG, MazJr, RxJr, and the Z-28? I don't get how one could play with a drummer and be any less loud that Z-28 almost cranked. That or your drummer is really really under playing.
The idea of this amp is really up my alley. It seams like the propper way to go the more I looking into what it is I'm doing and gonna do.
DAVE
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Post by cashandkerouac on Sept 6, 2008 18:49:44 GMT -7
You know I hear alot of people saying that they can't play at or near the sweet spot in thier amps. Ok on the bigger amp I understand, but in CG, MazJr, RxJr, and the Z-28? I don't get how one could play with a drummer and be any less loud that Z-28 almost cranked. That or your drummer is really really under playing. you must have a really loud drummer.
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Post by asattwanger on Sept 7, 2008 8:31:43 GMT -7
Of the last four guys we played with only one of them would I consider a loud drummer. He couldn't hang with the surfy funky grooves. The others weren't loud drummers and the Z-28 at 12,12,3 is just about perfect unless you want clean clean. It only gets slightly louder.
I haven't met a drummer that can get up on edge and stay quiet like a 50's 60's cover band guy. We have had problems with drummers because most of the good players around here are either working or don't understand how to be more than rock'n roll. We need Elvin Jones & Steve Gadd 80% of the time for that understanding of groove and being able to play thier instrument. Not just go through the motions which allows one to play at 50' & 60's cover band volumes.
Man when I was in Clearwater/Tampa. If you showed up and played a small amp in a parting club you would have never been heard. That 50 watts Soldano ROS was the perfect amount of volume with a 4x12 cab. Filled most rooms nicely. Kinda what I want the Ezg for beside having a clean clean reverb sound when I need it.
DAVE DAVE
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Post by cashandkerouac on Sept 8, 2008 13:46:10 GMT -7
We need Elvin Jones & Steve Gadd 80% of the time for that understanding of groove and being able to play thier instrument. Man when I was in Clearwater/Tampa. If you showed up and played a small amp in a parting club you would have never been heard. i love Steve Gadd. i also love the Tampa area (i'm from Sarasota). i really miss the gulf beaches on the west coast of FLA.
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Post by asattwanger on Sept 8, 2008 15:48:35 GMT -7
The only thing I miss other than bunches of good friends is walking 10 mins everynight to the intercoastal for sunset.
I totaly understand where your commin from.
DAVE
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Post by frankiestarr on Jan 29, 2009 20:17:35 GMT -7
Well....It is really loud. I am used to playing out of twin's, and I would say it is easily as loud as a good twin. Of corse it doesn't have that brittle "Twin" super clean sound.....It seems loud also because of the way the bass is voiced.....I use a 1-15 cab, and it sounds like a half stack. If I crank it you can feel the sound..... I think the only complaint I ever heard is that it might be too loud to get that smooth power tube distortion, but that's where the pre control helps...I have a friend here who also has one. We host jam sessions here that get really loud.....The Z never get's buried. I don't think I ever turned it past 12 o'clock...I am scared...It would hurt me !
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Post by bustertheboy on Feb 2, 2009 16:16:04 GMT -7
You know I hear alot of people saying that they can't play at or near the sweet spot in thier amps. Ok on the bigger amp I understand, but in CG, MazJr, RxJr, and the Z-28? I don't get how one could play with a drummer and be any less loud that Z-28 almost cranked. That or your drummer is really really under playing. you must have a really loud drummer. It really depends on the tones you're going for. With the Z28 the volume was ideal when I was after a cleanish tone on my b-bender tele (amp set 12, 3, 2). If I wanted an overdriven OCD tone I clicked the Weber minimass in with the same amp settings because it was way too loud. And that was with an average loud drummer in a 3 piece-plus-singer band with a couple of hundred people in the audience. My new cool tone is 4, 11, 11 Brett
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Post by mtlrecords on Nov 6, 2009 16:57:08 GMT -7
I would say the EZG-50 is loud and clean, until you start pushing the pre volume. Then the amp can get some great distortion tones. However, it is not the loudest of 50 watt amps. Other 50 watt Marshalls and Hiwatts I have used crush it in (perceived) volume. But it is awesome and loud enough for any gig, but be aware there are louder amps.
For the ultimate clean headroom, I have just discovered "The Clean Machine" by Fuchs. 150 watts via four 6550 tubes! Watch out! I bought the EZG-50 with the idea of using it for cleans, but at the levels I use at shows, it has become more of a dirty amp. I am likely going to pair it with a Fuchs down the road.
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Post by drummerdarko on Nov 8, 2009 23:02:21 GMT -7
It is really really loud with my 4x10 cab. I play it pretty clean and it can bury a drummer if youre not careful. I'm a pedal head too and it takes pedals better than just about any amp I've ever played through. I run a Timmy into a Screw Driver, into an Ernie and they stack wonderfully into this amp. It's really hard to get this amp to break up without going deaf... are there louder amps out there? sure. are there louder 50 watters? probably. But unless you are playing an arena, I don't see how you would ever need much more volume...
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