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Post by asattwanger on Jul 20, 2008 8:27:24 GMT -7
What is the difference between the amount of gain, the sound of the gain, and the over all volume difference between a Cranked Z-28 and the Galaxie.
Does the Galaxie get more distorted at lower volumes? Or does it require it to be cranked up before the gain hits on the dirty channel?
DAVE
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Post by blackice on Jul 20, 2008 10:56:41 GMT -7
Hey I'll check this out Dave. I'm lending my Z-28 out today, trying to get this guy hooked on Z's.
RICHARD
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Post by Jan on Jul 20, 2008 11:08:51 GMT -7
Disclaimer: I do not own a Z-28, never have.
Galaxie channel 2 does not bring to mind a Z-28 to me. It is more of a ... rich, grinding British lead tone ... Hiwatt territory maybe? It gets loud fast. From say 0 - 10, the gain starts at about 0.5 and by noon (5) the volume and super rich gain are in Joe Walsh Barnstorming land.
Hmm, I did not use the word, distorted, did I? I was going to attribute the grinding to humbuckers, but maybe not. I have not plugged in the strat for a long while.
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Post by JD on Jul 21, 2008 3:15:40 GMT -7
I played my Z28 w/2x10 at an indoor gig on Friday night at a smaller club and then used the Galaxie on Saturday at an outdoor festival gig (w/4x10)- both times with a Lentz SSL. The Z28 (I usually have my controls at V-2 o'clock, T-1:30, B-11) has a different breakup that seems to retain a lot of the original tone (with the high headroom EF86). I usually hit my Z28 with a clean boost for leads with the 'Dragon. The Galaxie on Ch2 is a driving beast. I usually have my V2 at about 9:30 and it definitely has more of a grind sound to me. Very aggressive. The cool thing is that I now have a wireless and so I went out off the stage and worked the crowd and man did the Galaxie sound great. While it seemed real agressive on stage through a 4x10 - out away from the stage and through the PA it sounded great, full tone, very balanced, etc. Sometimes it takes getting 30', 40', or 80' away from your amp to really hear how other people hear it. My Route 66 should be here tomorrow - hoping to use it at 2 outdoor gigs this week. Heck maybe I will order an EZG-50 today - I am a sick man But maybe you should ask her about amps? She was digging the Z28 tone
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Post by groovergeorge on Jul 21, 2008 3:37:48 GMT -7
I'd agree with that statement and I have both. The Z-28 is more of a spongy,sparkly and sweeter tone if I may use all those usual terms that we all gravitate toward when describing certain guitar tones. The Z-28 with my strat usually gets that nice sustaining bluesy lead tone with all three dials at 3 o clock but can still clean up with the volume on the guitar wound back a little whereas the Galaxie on the dirt channel gets really gnarly from the start. The tone of the 6L6's when compressing up are a little harsher but not in a bad way, think Joe Walsh's Funk 49 as compared with the 6v6's of the Z-28 which gets that "Jesus just left Chicago tone". I also find that when going from the clean to dirty channel on the Galaxie I sometimes have to adjust the eq a little. Not so with the Z-28. They are both great amps either way and I'm very happy to be able to have both at my disposal in my tone arsenal. Very cute brunette by the way........... . Thanks for the pic
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Post by asattwanger on Jul 21, 2008 18:14:19 GMT -7
let's just comment about the pic for a second.
Girl is good looking kinda blush to the face "surely been drinking" She has that "time of my life" on her face Notice that the guitar is shifting from accross the hip into inner thigh placement - classic move JD!!!!!
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Post by asattwanger on Jul 21, 2008 18:43:19 GMT -7
OK back to the amp.
Thanks for the idea's on how the Galaxie sounds. It certainly makes me wonder what it will sound like when I go after it. From the descriptions and sound clips {video} it makes me think it's going to be more like the Soldano ROS I played through for a while where the gain sits on top of the power tubes compaired to the Z-28 cranked.
See I'm in a limbo in which tone it is I'm after, because the Z-28 has this great clean/cleanish/blues/rock thing going on with the Asat or Legacy, but it is this growling balance of power tube and preamp overdrive with the Les Paul.
DAVE
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Post by groovergeorge on Jul 21, 2008 19:12:17 GMT -7
Oh I probably forgot to mention but I'm sure someone else has brought it up somewhere here in discussion but the Galaxie has more gain available in it's 2nd channel even at say with volume at 10 and the presence at 3' than the Z-28 at full throttle with all it's knobs wound out to 3 o clock. There's no need for a boost with the Galaxie it just doesn't really need it whereas the Z-28 and that EF86 really favours a good boost like an RC to help get that little bit more out of it. regardless of eq settings on both amps the overall character of the 28 compared with the Galaxie is a little darker.
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Post by Jan on Jul 21, 2008 19:20:21 GMT -7
What does she have such a grip on in her right hand? Dave, maybe it comes down to power. The Galaxie does that Tim The Tool Man Taylor, Mo Power Grunt on channel 2, especially with some cranked Gibson love on the input. And man, if you want lushy Fender with a Strat tone, channel 1 has it. A friend has a Bandmaster I used to think was the bomb. Next to my Galaxie, the Bandmaster sounds a little thin. Yes, I am biased. I think the Galaxie is supercalifragilisticexpialidotious. If you only use channel 1, the Galaxie and Z-28 are probably very close. But channel 2 goes up to 11. Before the Galaxie came out, the Z-28 was on my short list for next amp. If I ever all out of love with the Galaxie, the Z-28 will get back on the short list.
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Post by asattwanger on Jul 21, 2008 19:20:37 GMT -7
at what point do you feel the power tubes movin with the gain or does the gain always sit on top?
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Post by Jan on Jul 21, 2008 19:30:40 GMT -7
at what point do you feel the power tubes movin with the gain or does the gain always sit on top? I may not have the tone language skills to answer this question correctly. bilbal posted several very descriptive posts about this and gosh darnit, I cannot find them now. This thread may give you some better answers though. Z-Talk! :: Amplifiers :: Galaxie :: Tone Controls On the GALAXIE! drzamplifiers.proboards41.com/index.cgi?board=galaxie&action=display&thread=44
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Post by groovergeorge on Jul 21, 2008 20:24:39 GMT -7
I agree with what Jan is saying. The Galaxie in pentode settings has more gain available on tap for any rockers application other than modern metal. There are really 4 variations of basic tones available with 2 channels and a pentode/triode switch and then theres the volume and tone knobs along with the presence to fine tune. I think Trockcity did a fine review sometime not to long ago on the Galaxies capabilities. It's a very fine amp and a great addition to anyones tone arsenal.
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Post by Jones'n for Tone on Jul 22, 2008 15:03:07 GMT -7
But maybe you should ask her about amps? She was digging the Z28 tone You must be doing somethin right JD by the way you've captured her attention. The bass player looks a little less interested though..... At least in what you're doing! ;D I do miss my Galaxie.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Jul 22, 2008 15:18:18 GMT -7
I think she's lookin' at the drummer..... ;D ;D BUT....the way she's holdin' her trigger finger is a little scary... Sweet JD!!!!
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