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Post by cisspcism on Apr 16, 2008 5:45:53 GMT -7
I have the z 28 and I was under theimpression they are the same except for the output tubes. That they are voiced the same with the z28 just being half power. I love the z28 and can get awesome tones out of it especially pushed with my RC Booster and OCD. My next amp will probably be a maz jr NR
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Post by dixiechicken on Apr 16, 2008 7:28:34 GMT -7
I don't think you can assume that they are alike. They share the same layout and tub complement for the pre-amplifier section. But the power amplifier section is another story - the difference in power tubes likely means other more or less subtle changes in the power amp section. (that's my guess any way - maybe I'll email Doc and ask him ) Cheers: Dixiechicken!
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Post by zdogma on Apr 16, 2008 7:34:17 GMT -7
The Z28 is brighter, tighter, a bit more scooped in the mids and a bit crunchier as the volume goes up, kind of a plexi sound. Its a bit cleaner at low volumes that the Route, but saturates a lot faster as the volume goes up.
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Post by mahons on May 9, 2008 16:50:34 GMT -7
How british is the Z28? I've heard everything from Deluxe Reverb to Plexi/Tweed mix. Where does it fall? (granted, speakers, etc. will make a large difference). I'm kind of debating between the 28 and the 66. Either way, I guess I can't really go wrong
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Post by taswegian on May 9, 2008 21:50:27 GMT -7
How british is the Z28? I've heard everything from Deluxe Reverb to Plexi/Tweed mix. Where does it fall? (granted, speakers, etc. will make a large difference). I'm kind of debating between the 28 and the 66. Either way, I guess I can't really go wrong Well, that's all about right. The Z-28 is a bit of a chameleon. It definitely sounds Fendery, especially at lower volumes, but when it is pushed it kinda crosses, or begins to cross the spectrum into British marshall type territory. It has a more sparkle and glitter on the top end than the Route 66 and is more small club friendly volume wise. It has a good deal of headroom before it begins breaking up then after that it gets hotter pretty quick, whereas the 66 is more gradual. The Z28 I play gets hotter than my 66 but it has a 12ax7 in the PI to give more breakup. It's a great tone cranked up and sounds quite "led Zeppelin" kinda Fender Deluxe meets Plexi. At 3 oclock all knobs through the Z-best it sat around the same volume as the Route 66 at 12 oclock all knobs. The Z 28 is smokin' dirty while the 66 is just starting to break up. HOWEVER, as great an amp as the Z28 is, it doesn't have the balls, girth, whomping bottom end of the 66 and to my ears the 66 sounds a little more "even" across the tone spectrum. It has much more body. BUT for smaller clubs it may be too much amp, (I doubt it) or at least you can get the Z28 workin' a bit more. But if you love that sparkly Fender deluxe top end it has that and the 66 doesn't. And the Z28 bottom end always stays tight and holds together. The 66 just has a "fatter" bottom. Just my humble opinion of course. And most of my references are with my Grosh Set Neck (humbuckers) and the Z-Best. I'd love to hear it through my Ulbrick 1-12 cab which I haven't got to do yet.
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Post by groovergeorge on May 9, 2008 23:15:52 GMT -7
How british is the Z28? I've heard everything from Deluxe Reverb to Plexi/Tweed mix. Where does it fall? (granted, speakers, etc. will make a large difference). I'm kind of debating between the 28 and the 66. Either way, I guess I can't really go wrong Well, that's all about right. The Z-28 is a bit of a chameleon. It definitely sounds Fendery, especially at lower volumes, but when it is pushed it kinda crosses, or begins to cross the spectrum into British marshall type territory. It has a more sparkle and glitter on the top end than the Route 66 and is more small club friendly volume wise. It has a good deal of headroom before it begins breaking up then after that it gets hotter pretty quick, whereas the 66 is more gradual. The Z28 I play gets hotter than my 66 but it has a 12ax7 in the PI to give more breakup. It's a great tone cranked up and sounds quite "led Zeppelin" kinda Fender Deluxe meets Plexi. At 3 oclock all knobs through the Z-best it sat around the same volume as the Route 66 at 12 oclock all knobs. The Z 28 is smokin' dirty while the 66 is just starting to break up. HOWEVER, as great an amp as the Z28 is, it doesn't have the balls, girth, whomping bottom end of the 66 and to my ears the 66 sounds a little more "even" across the tone spectrum. It has much more body. BUT for smaller clubs it may be too much amp, (I doubt it) or at least you can get the Z28 workin' a bit more. But if you love that sparkly Fender deluxe top end it has that and the 66 doesn't. And the Z28 bottom end always stays tight and holds together. The 66 just has a "fatter" bottom. Just my humble opinion of course. And most of my references are with my Grosh Set Neck (humbuckers) and the Z-Best. I'd love to hear it through my Ulbrick 1-12 cab which I haven't got to do yet. I'd have to agree with Jaye totally. I think the Z28 is a great small club amp, lots of sparkle etc etc.......I have a 5751 in the PI slot which gives me even more cleaner tone. Strat ,Tele, Les Paul,SG, Gretsch all sound wonderful through this rig. It's a winner if you ask me. I play it through a single 12 greenback and it sounds great but if you really want to move some air and cut through the mix in a loud band with lots of bottom end and thick raunchy lower mids the Route 66 probably would be a better choice.
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Post by Stephen on Aug 13, 2014 14:45:35 GMT -7
I'm wondering about this myself. Any new thoughts on this? I own the Maz amps right now, so I'm looking something with a different sound.
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Post by nmz on Aug 13, 2014 14:56:06 GMT -7
I'm wondering about this myself. Any new thoughts on this? I own the Maz amps right now, so I'm looking something with a different sound. It really goes well with the Maz jr. I ran A/B/Y with both it was awesome!!
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Post by smolder on Aug 13, 2014 18:15:35 GMT -7
The z28 is a brown deluxe on steroids. The r66 has a similar circuit, but way bigger and richer (like a thick shake) with those kt66's. Both have that increase in gain when the treble or bass go above noon. My two favorite Z amps... Both are quite loud.
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Post by Stephen on Aug 14, 2014 11:39:00 GMT -7
I'm wondering about this myself. Any new thoughts on this? I own the Maz amps right now, so I'm looking something with a different sound. It really goes well with the Maz jr. I ran A/B/Y with both it was awesome!! I'm assuming you mean the Z-28, right?
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Post by nmz on Aug 14, 2014 12:03:43 GMT -7
It really goes well with the Maz jr. I ran A/B/Y with both it was awesome!! I'm assuming you mean the Z-28, right? Yes
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Post by jb on Aug 14, 2014 14:43:55 GMT -7
Someone here once described the Rt 66 as having more "girth", which I think is a perfect way to describe it. The amp simply has ginormous girth, whatever that really is, and it's a good thing!
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Post by dixiechicken on Aug 22, 2014 5:18:02 GMT -7
DC here!
I've said it before and say it again.
to my ears going right into the Route66 gives it a great projection plus that girth everybody talking about.
To me I can pretty much control right from stage what I want the public to hear - only on a few occasions do people have to tell me to rise or lower the volume - it seem to sit right down in the mix where I want it.
Cheers: Dixiechicken!
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Post by Joey Beverages on Aug 22, 2014 5:39:21 GMT -7
hey dixiechicken, good to see ya posting - been a while and, I like the way you think 'bout the Rt 66 .... projection, girth and sits in the mix nice best regards and cheers always, Joel yes, I am lurking the '66 section - then again, there are a few other sections I seem to be spending time in as well
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Post by southmusic70 on Aug 23, 2014 15:55:39 GMT -7
I just sold my 66 a couple of weeks ago, but still have my 28, KT45 and Rati v2. I sold the 66 because I pretty much decided that for the non-society jobs that I play where I can turn up and use my full effects board w/ Guild BluesBird/Tele, the Rati was superior to my ears (through a 1x12 Mesa open-backed cab with a C90 speaker). For the society jobs, the 28 is perfect, and I've begun using a Tech21 FlyRig 5 with it, which makes for an easy hump using a Gator amp case with wheels. I use the KT45 mostly with my archtops in larger venues, and it can cover a lot of ground with 2x12s. I a/b'ed the 66 and the 45 at length with my archtops, and although you would think that the 66 would be the preferable amp because of its fatness/darkness, it wasn't for me. It WILL thicken single coil instruments, but the Rati just smokes with a Tele. BTW, the 28 1x10 combo sounds good with the archtops, but the KT has much more depth, I suppose because it has twice the power, although when I use it with my 1x12 it still outperforms the 28 (and should).
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