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Post by taswegian on Nov 5, 2007 21:08:22 GMT -7
Man, I got to play Azatplayers' RXES on the weekend and it was glorious. Now I don't want to put anyone's beanie in a knot here but surely the RXjr can't quite be as rich and, and, whatever else mastery that amp has going on as the RXES? It is such a complex sounding amp. The ability to sound so hi-fi and ultra boutique yet then overdrive into a big beefy crunch that doesn't sound "processed, sterile or..."nice" like some other expensive amps. Surely it can't be as simple as, "sounds just like it, only less volume/headroom" that would be too much to ask for. Surely it can't retain that "bounce" and sensitivity? Or that crunch of doom at 15 watts? OK, those in the know, put me in my place! ;D
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Post by 95strat on Nov 5, 2007 22:07:04 GMT -7
Sadly I do not have the big brother to compare with the Jr. However, I do look forward to hearing the rebuttals;-) This is going to be fun. Thanks Tas.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Nov 5, 2007 22:57:50 GMT -7
Man, I got to play Azatplayers' RXES on the weekend and it was glorious. Now I don't want to put anyone's beanie in a knot here but surely the RXjr can't quite be as rich and, and, whatever else mastery that amp has going on as the RXES? It is such a complex sounding amp. The ability to sound so hi-fi and ultra boutique yet then overdrive into a big beefy crunch that doesn't sound "processed, sterile or..."nice" like some other expensive amps. Surely it can't be as simple as, "sounds just like it, only less volume/headroom" that would be too much to ask for. Surely it can't retain that "bounce" and sensitivity? Or that crunch of doom at 15 watts? OK, those in the know, put me in my place! ;D GLORIOUS!!!!!!!! G-L-O-R-I-A GLORIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D OK I got both... and I may be playin my RX ES now more for several reasons, one of which is because Shannon has a SRZ 65 and a Delta 88 that he's in love with... I gotta hang in there with THOSE, so Enter the RX ES!!! BUT! if he play's the ole green Ghia... well then There's the RX JR!!! "... surely the RXjr can't quite be as rich and, and, whatever else mastery that amp has going on as the RXES?" OH Yes, it can be my Aussie Z Bro... Oh... Yes it can. " Surely it can't be as simple as, "sounds just like it, only less volume/headroom" that would be too much to ask for. " It sounds just like it, only less volume/headroom. "Surely it can't retain that bounce and sensitivity? Or that crunch of doom at 15 watts?"Yes, it can... and Yes it does. Sorry Taz but that theres the truth... The MAIN difference between the two is... do you need 45 watts of thunderous RX sound OR would 15 watts of glorious RX sound work better for your playing situations... ;D
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 5, 2007 23:14:35 GMT -7
Imagine that. I can actually hear Taz sweating bullets!
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Post by drew on Nov 6, 2007 0:14:20 GMT -7
you guys are killing me... Christmas can't come soon enough.
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Post by guitarstan on Nov 6, 2007 6:49:33 GMT -7
You go Jason ;D.
I can't say cuz I only have a Jr.
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Post by zimmer on Nov 8, 2007 6:24:32 GMT -7
tas, great questions. I've been wondering about this since the RX JR was put together. I've been thinking about an RX ever since I'd heard about Z's amps.
Jason, thanks for a set of answers that say the voice of the amps are the same.
*burp*
I just got outbid on the little Gries 5 on the 'bay. What was I thinking?
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Post by azatplayer on Nov 10, 2007 22:57:49 GMT -7
Dude maybe we should just take a trip over to Cleveland for Z fest and bring back some goodies. Huh? Might be fun... and dangerous i know. I do intend to make it to my 20th wedding anniversary next year, maybe we better not...
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Post by taswegian on Nov 14, 2007 0:50:44 GMT -7
Well, I think the only way I would be able to figure out if the RXjr would work for me would be to gig it and the only way that's gonna happen is if I buy it! However, I know the ES is plenty and possibly not too much through my 1-12. Actually, how great would a RXjr be through your 4-12 Don? Might not be over the top loud either. I'd lug that cab for that sound! I think an Ulbrick Vibroverb 30 is in my future also. I've got time up my sleeve now anyway! (blew all my amp money) However, I did get my own little Z-fest on that trip. A ghia, Z28, Invasion, Maz jr, and RXES. How cool is that!
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Post by taswegian on Nov 18, 2007 2:40:49 GMT -7
I really liked the ES with the volume on 4? or around 11 oclock. Seemed like at that setting there was lottsa headroom and kick in the overdose and it crunched up beautifully.
Question...with the Jr on the same volume setting (11 oclock) is the clean tone loud enough to gig with a loud drummer? or does the jr need to be pumped up louder to get going? I guess I'm talking the master wide open here as well.
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Post by groovergeorge on Nov 18, 2007 6:15:05 GMT -7
So come on Taz,which amp did you like better, the Ghia, Invasion or RXES and why? I've got G.A.S real bad, may have some money coming my way soon and I'm just itching for another "Z".
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Post by taswegian on Nov 18, 2007 22:20:03 GMT -7
Ha! Loved them all, epecially the Invasion. Something about the RXES and I just clicked though. I think it was such a gorgeous clean sound that got nasty when driven and the Overdose is just awesome! It seemed to me that set clean at around 4 (10:30 11 oclock) on the volume you can hit the overdose for dirt and it's all just about right for reasonably loud gigging volumes that I gig at. Not sure if the jr would get me there but who knows? Well Jason probably does! ;D Spending money on the next Z is a tough decision for us Aussies that can't just plug in and check them out. I think you'll always want that KT45 or 6545 if you don't get it though! But you're probably hanging for Evan too. I'm in no rush just yet. Hope the wedding plans are going smooth! (32C down here today by the way) ahh winter gone for another year.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Nov 18, 2007 23:49:49 GMT -7
Something about the RXES and I just clicked though. I think it was such a gorgeous clean sound that got nasty when driven and the Overdose is just awesome! It seemed to me that set clean at around 4 (10:30 11 oclock) on the volume you can hit the overdose for dirt and it's all just about right for reasonably loud gigging volumes that I gig at. Question...with the Jr on the same volume setting (11 oclock) is the clean tone loud enough to gig with a loud drummer? or does the jr need to be pumped up louder to get going? I guess I'm talking the master wide open here as well. I like my RX ES the same way with the volume around 4 ( 11:00)... and I'm liking the RX JR's sound set similarly with the volume around 12:00-1:00 ( prolly closer to 12:00)... Master around 11:00-12:00 ( prolly closer to 11:00). So not much more volume is needed with the RX JR to get a similar sound... and the master doesn't have to be wide open to get you there as I like it around noon and our drummer can hit pretty hard... But you've got some more on the Master volume if ya need it, and with a really loud drummer/ band you may need to boost the Master some more... YMMV Not sure if the jr would get me there but who knows? Well Jason probably does! ;D The RX Jr can get pretty loud Taz... if ya liked the volume of the Maz Jr you played and could get by with it, your probably looking at about the same volume level with the RX JR... pretty close really, with maybe a slight nod to the Maz Jr in overall volume... but really pretty close. But you're already used to a loud Rt 66 and if ya liked the RX ES at 4 and could also use an airbreak then... just get an RX ES and be happy!
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Post by groovergeorge on Nov 19, 2007 3:05:33 GMT -7
A lot of people know I have been gassing for the KT45 (EL34) for a while now and it doesn't take much to get me excited about it whenever someone who owns one writes a thread on it but I'm starting to get really interested about the RXES. I thought it was mainly a dirty amp but all you guys that own one talk about the great dimensional clean sounds. I plugged into my Maz Invasion today and dimed the master and ran the volume at around 11. With my tele I was getting some really nice jangly stuff that was great for chord work. For those that have both what is the difference between the clean on the Maz as compared with the cleans on the RXES? Has the amp got that tight, percussive feel to it? I have a combo with both weber blue and silver 50 watters which are an excellent combination. I think if I was going to get an RXES though I probably use it with a "Z" best or something similar.
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Post by azatplayer on Nov 19, 2007 3:23:34 GMT -7
George, chuck ya guitars and cabs in ya car and drive down to Melbourne :-) I'll give you a run thru the ES. I love my Maz with single coils and my Asat with a bucker in the bridge is pretty good too. The ES is VERY different. Specially with buckers. I just cant get anywhere to let it off its leash. Seriously thru greenbacks its amazing. I have an Avatar coming, as u know, with greenies. Also have a Z 1x12 with a gold coming. I know the greenies are awesome, and from what ive heard the Gold is amazing too.
I bought the Maz and the RX at the same time with a Z best. I found the Maz was the one for me straight away, and so didnt really use the RX at all. It has too much grunt for my gigs too, but it just didnt sound as good as the maz did thru the Z best. BUT then one day i put it thru my marshall quad(greenies) and man what a sound. Since then i swapped out 2 greenies for the C90's in my Mesa 2x12 and its perfect. If the Avatar has that sound, i will be well pleased. I know a few guys have said it sounds good thru the Z best, and its ok, but it really comes into its own thru the greenbacks. Ive not tried the greenies in the best yet tho. May be better? At the moment im just enjoying the openback action. With my ES 137 (extra strength 137 :-) )being an open hollow body type, i get some serious feedback off the bridge pickup. The RX picks that up and adds its own harmonics to it, really something else. I just control it with my palm on the bridge, very cool.
All that to say, come on down brother :-)
Azat
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Post by groovergeorge on Nov 19, 2007 4:11:48 GMT -7
Oh know this is not good. i was gassing for the KT45 for so long but now after hearing that I'm getting very excited about the RXES especially since I really love old greenbacks. I'm pretty much tied up with my wedding plans right now but I would certainly love to come and check it out.
Thanks mate,
Take care.
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Post by zone47 on Dec 2, 2007 15:52:46 GMT -7
Dude maybe we should just take a trip over to Cleveland for Z fest and bring back some goodies. Huh? Might be fun... and dangerous i know. I do intend to make it to my 20th wedding anniversary next year, maybe we better not... There is a Z fest? When does that happen?, I am right down the road from Cleveland.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Dec 2, 2007 17:31:30 GMT -7
Dude maybe we should just take a trip over to Cleveland for Z fest and bring back some goodies. Huh? Might be fun... and dangerous i know. I do intend to make it to my 20th wedding anniversary next year, maybe we better not... There is a Z fest? When does that happen?, I am right down the road from Cleveland. Two different messages in the Lounge section - one pinned, the other floating.
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