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Post by 95strat on Sept 24, 2007 6:21:59 GMT -7
So I'm still dialing this sucker in. Hard to get a bad sound out of it!
However, I thought it would be cool to see what you guys are using for eq.
So far this is where I'm averaging:
MV: 12:00 V : 9:30 B: 11:00 M: 11:00 T: 12:00
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Post by cementman on Sept 24, 2007 8:15:11 GMT -7
i 've pushed the mid and treble up to about 1 clock, backed off on the bass with humbuckers.. this baby has a lot of bottom,, so far it is the most satisfying amp of z's that i have had,, not just cause it is new,, it has a ghia type edge, but more clean and an over the top zz top kinda voice with the boost,, i am really happy. i am running it thru a lopoline cab with a celestion gold, wasnt sure about this, but dr z is right. this thing is a very loud amp.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Sept 24, 2007 8:40:22 GMT -7
So far... Master: just at or below noon with most speakers, and maybe 10:30-11:00 with the 1x12 Gold I played with Stans amp this weekend ... all w/ Overdose ON. Volume at 1:00 ( Or with Master wide open and Overdose OFF... then just set volume to taste) Bass at 10:00-10:30 Mid at 1:00- 1:30 Treble at 11:00 This setting sounds good with both a Strat and a Tele plus I played a WONDERFUL PRS guitar that Guitarstan has... that got great Lester sounds, and another nice guitar that got both great tele and strat sounds out of it... even my old beat up strat sounded OK... and this setting/ his amp/ speakers ( Gold) worked great with ALL of em without changing ANYTHING... We never touched the amp except to put it on standby and turn it off when we were done... and I'll let Stan testify to what this setting sounded like... I REALLY like the Gold with this amp, you can't go wrong with a 50 watt Weber ceramic or alnico, Blue or Silver... or Celestion Gold. I might like the Single Gold better than the 2x12 Blues? I dunno... I'll have to play the blues some more... I haven't gotten a bad sound with this amp... except for some of my playing and i'm with cementman on this, it's not just cause it's a new amp... it is just perfect. It has aspects of several different Z's that I love in one very usable package. Might be my perfect amp. Jason PS and at the end for fun we ran Stans MAZ 38 through that 1x12 gold low input... master cranked and only used the Luxury drive for that BW kinda thang... WOW was it loud. ;D
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Post by dock66 on Sept 24, 2007 9:28:53 GMT -7
Wow what a great amp....RxJr and a single C-Gold really shine without blasting the eardrums.That built-in MV comes in handy.
Bass: 11:00 Mid:1:00 Treble:11:00
Low input with Overdose ON.
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Post by guitarstan on Sept 24, 2007 9:37:21 GMT -7
Here are the settings used during jam nite. Let me first qualify one of Jason's statements made above.....Jason's ole ugly beat-to-Hell and back Strat ... ;D .... sounded by golly awesome .
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Post by ruger9 on Sept 24, 2007 15:55:09 GMT -7
so far: MV 9:00 (home use) Vol 6 (6 on the dial, about 2:00) Overdose ON / LOW INPUT Bass 10:00 Mids around 12:00 Treble around 11:00 ...playing a Tele thru an Eminence Red Fang 1x12 open back Something I'll add: This amp has it's own sound, moreso than any other amp I've played. What I mean is, no matter where you set the EQ, it's sounds unique. I can't get a Fender or a Marshall "sound" out of it. It only sounds like itself. I've never heard that in an amp before. I know the Maz 18/38's have the ability to "morph" somewhat, but most of the Z amps, from what I've read & what I've now played, sound like Z's. Period. When I got it, the EQ was all set at 12:00. Sounded great. The way I have it set for now, sounds great. But BOTH sound the same, if that makes any sense. It's kind of another way of saying "you can't get a 'bad' sound out of this amp"...qualifier: IF YOU LIKE THE AMP (which I DO!)
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Post by ruger9 on Sept 24, 2007 17:46:54 GMT -7
A PLEA FOR HELP!!!
I just changed my settings, because I tried some of your guys' and mine sucked. JGleaton & Dockk66 have GREAT settings here. Apparently, the "Z EQ" takes some getting used to. Any "secrets" or "tips" you could share with a "Z Rookie"??
I have a bad habit of turning the gain (volume) up to 10 on every amp out of the gate, just to see how nasty it can get. Seems like this amp shines in the slightly cleaner regions. Keep in mind, I haven't even attempted my pedalboard yet, just been plugged straight into the RxJR, Want to get to know her pretty well before I start messing around with boosts & the like...
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Post by bluzman on Sept 24, 2007 18:30:32 GMT -7
Don't look at the position of the knobs when learning an amp... LISTEN!
Just relax and keep the room a little dark and just start turning stuff up and down and listen.
The first time I played it in the store before taking it home, I played it a little bit with EVERYTHING at 12:00... as I was playing I thought it needed a little less bottom, so I cut it back while listening to the sound and striking a note or chord... I then boosted mids a little... or maybe used the axe volume or tone pot... If you're using a different speaker than the other guys, it will sound different... maybe better or maybe worse than their settings! It's all relative.
While listening once I had my volume and drive set, I found it VERY easy to dial in/out bass, mid, treb. Tone is for the ears... LISTEN!
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Post by 95strat on Sept 24, 2007 18:58:23 GMT -7
bluzman is right. The speaker you use will make all the difference in how you eq the amp. It's all relative, but the reason I asked the question was to find a starting place. I really like what Bluzman suggested...turn down the lights, listen, and tweak from there.
After Jason and Stan chimed in I'm thinking I'll have to get a Weber Blue or Silver to replace my G12H!
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Post by bluzman on Sept 24, 2007 19:41:54 GMT -7
After Jason and Stan chimed in I'm thinking I'll have to get a Weber Blue or Silver to replace my G12H! Ummmm... for the past 45 minutes I've been playing a Tele American through a Weber 2x12 with 50 watt 16ohm Blue Dog Al and a Silver Bell Al same specs 8 ohm load. I like this speaker config. It's still not like the Z-Best I test drove it with, but I like better than the 15 watt Al-Blue 2x12, 4 ohm load. Now for the 15"!!! ;D
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Post by 95strat on Sept 24, 2007 20:01:23 GMT -7
I'm only going to have 1x12 to work with. I just don't know whether to go Blue or Silver.
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Post by guitarstan on Sept 25, 2007 4:14:25 GMT -7
I'm only going to have 1x12 to work with. I just don't know whether to go Blue or Silver. You won't be satisfied until you have experimented with both. Hopefully you have the speakers laying around and only have to mount them. I believe Jason prefers the ceramic versions? I only have AlNico's. In fact the only ceramic I have on hand is a Tone Tubby and it's not broke in yet. I like ceramics and plan to experiment more with them in the future but for what I am doing the AlNico's are great.
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Post by 95strat on Sept 25, 2007 5:48:24 GMT -7
Yeah, the wife is not going to love speakers laying around for experimenting.
I will just have to make a leap of faith and get one and live with it. I just don't have that much expendable income. That's what you get working for a nonprofit! If you're ever tired of your AlNico's just let me know;-)
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Post by bluzman on Sept 25, 2007 10:05:25 GMT -7
I played through the 15" last night in a Weber small cab. Ferromax 50 watt 8 ohm. Sounded best with the cabinet closed... But now I'm gonna try a beam blocker with it open again.... then closed again.
So far I can't decide between the Weber 50 watt 2x12 Blue and Silver Alnico or the 1x15" 15F150. Still two VERY DIFFERENT sounding cabs.
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Post by 95strat on Sept 25, 2007 12:02:08 GMT -7
I think the Blue/Silver is the way I'd go, but that's me and I'm conservative. I know that combonation of speakers has work for a lot of player. Plus, I think 212's sound better than 115. JMO.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Sept 25, 2007 15:05:32 GMT -7
I'd go with a 50 Watt Weber Alnico Bluedog... cannot go wrong with this speaker and a Z.
and if ya don't mind spending the money,
The Celestion Gold also Kills with this amp... but a bit louder/ more efficient than the Bluedog...
Bluedogs maybe a little warmer and rounder but still chimey and really versatile.
cannot go wrong with the 1x12 Bluedog IMHO.
Jason
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Post by 95strat on Sept 26, 2007 6:18:46 GMT -7
I'd go with a 50 Watt Weber Alnico Bluedog... cannot go wrong with this speaker and a Z. and if ya don't mind spending the money, The Celestion Gold also Kills with this amp... but a bit louder/ more efficient than the Bluedog... Bluedogs maybe a little warmer and rounder but still chimey and really versatile. cannot go wrong with the 1x12 Bluedog IMHO. Jason I'm SOLD! The Gold is a bit pricey, and I don't need anything louder. So from what you've mentioned Jason I will eventually get a Bluedog. Thanks. Be sure to collect your commission from Ted
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Sept 26, 2007 7:05:04 GMT -7
I'm SOLD! The Gold is a bit pricey, and I don't need anything louder. So from what you've mentioned Jason I will eventually get a Bluedog. Thanks. Be sure to collect your commission from Ted Well, I'm working on some clips, will probably be crappy... playing and sound wise as I'm not as good as Bentop at doing stuff like that, but I'm gonna use a 1x12 50 watt Alnico Bluedog for the clips so ya can hear it. Might even throw in a clip with the silver too... depends on how hard it ends up being to record, make into files and then upload them as to how many I do. But I'll probably keep em short. Maybe it'll give you some idea about the sound with that speaker and some guys what the RX JR sounds like, some guy's how the RX JR and Maz JR compare... we'll see... Oh and as for the commission from Ted, I'd have to foward it to Jayson Chance, as he's the one responsible for turning ME on to and making me a fan of the Bluedog/ Silverbell. ;D
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Post by 95strat on Sept 26, 2007 8:22:51 GMT -7
Thanks for doing all of that in advance. Sound clips always help. I'll probably stick with the stock G12H for a bit and make the switch when I get some money together. No hurry.
I will also have to admit J Chance has had a great influence in speaker selection as well. He really knows his stuff.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Sept 26, 2007 21:40:29 GMT -7
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Post by 95strat on Sept 26, 2007 23:32:44 GMT -7
Thanks again Jason. Nice work. That really helps. From what I've heard so far I prefer the Blue. The Silver is nice, but I can hear the top end roll off. I think I like the chime of the Blue better as well. Guess I'll be getting a Blue for Christmas.
Got to hit you with some karma for all the hard work!
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Post by 95strat on Sept 26, 2007 23:54:46 GMT -7
Oh yeah, with the Jr...should it be a 50 watt alnico in a 112 or something with less wattage?
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Sept 27, 2007 6:10:33 GMT -7
Oh yeah, with the Jr...should it be a 50 watt alnico in a 112 or something with less wattage? I'd go 50 Watt... even with the master at 12:00 or less the RX JR pushes the 50 watter plenty hard... and if you crank it it won't fart out on ya but it will sizzle, that particular 30 watt (bluedog) might fart out on ya if you crank it, but if ya WANT to drop the volume a little and don't want to crank it much the 30 watt might work well too... but I don't think you can go wrong with the 50 watt at all... easily pushes that speaker. easily pushes the gold too... you wouldn't think so but it does. and besides you've already got the 30 watt, G12 -H30 if ya wanna use a 30 watter to get the sizzle at a lower volume and thats still a great speaker with the RX's. just my $ .2
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Post by 95strat on Sept 27, 2007 16:30:33 GMT -7
Either the 30 or 50 then. I don't really crank the MV over 12:00, and I do play at "lower" volumes. Maybe the 30 will work. What about dopping? Light, medium, none. If you can't tell I've never replaced or bought a speaker. Pardon my ignorance, and thanks for all the help.
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Post by guitarstan on Sept 27, 2007 17:21:17 GMT -7
Either the 30 or 50 then. I don't really crank the MV over 12:00, and I do play at "lower" volumes. Maybe the 30 will work. What about dopping? Light, medium, none. If you can't tell I've never replaced or bought a speaker. Pardon my ignorance, and thanks for all the help. Speakers are cheap...relatively....that is..... I have experience with a number of them....including a Weber alnico 30 watt Blue Dawg & Silver Bell no dope; a 50 watt Weber Blue Dawg alnico light dope; a C-Gold; two C-Blues; Tone Tubbies both ceramic and alnico...and others but the aforementioned are the "go-to" daily speakers ;D. Ah, exception ... for Country projects I use a Z 210 with stock Z/Webers, yes! If we specify a particular head ie the RX Jr.... I would be happy to run it into a 30 watt Weber as long as it got my motor running. If it didn't have the requisite headroom then I would bump it up a notch to a 50 watt hummer. Life if great!
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Post by 95strat on Sept 28, 2007 2:12:22 GMT -7
I guess 50 watts would be the conservative way to go. I tend to get my OD from a pedal and like to run the Jr fairly clean to just a bit of hair on it. I take it that the 30 would break up at lower volumes.
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Post by guitarstan on Sept 28, 2007 4:50:06 GMT -7
The 50 watt would be more conservative and versatile usable with other higher powered amps. If funds were limited such that you had to rely on just one speaker at a gig without a backup then I would stick with a 50. On the other hand if you had the luxury of owning several backups then I would fine tune it with an assortment of power ratings.
I'm using a 25 watt Greenback w/my RX Jr at rehearsals and I might even use it at a gig (if I had a gig) but I will always have at least one backup with me. My moto: Multiple redundancy backups always!
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Post by bluzman on Sept 28, 2007 8:03:11 GMT -7
I've got a gig tonight and I'm gonna use the Weber 15" Ferromax in the matching red cabinet.
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Post by guitarstan on Sept 28, 2007 8:05:50 GMT -7
I've got a gig tonight and I'm gonna use the Weber 15" Ferromax in the matching red cabinet. Let us know how it works for ya. BTW what type of music do you play Paul?
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Post by bluzman on Sept 28, 2007 8:24:48 GMT -7
The band I'm with this weekend is alot of hippie-jammy-Dead- Dylan-Band. Depending on how tasteful the drummer is, I sometimes get to do alot of finger style electric Hot Tuna / Jorma stuff which is a passion of mine. I'll use my 1986 ES 335 for that stuff. I'll have a Tele American maple neck, vintage white with black guard for the other stuff.
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