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Post by antchil on Mar 22, 2007 14:09:21 GMT -7
Here are the facts
1. I don't play country, not into the twang sound 2. I like the clips i hear of the Rt. 66.... very fat sounding. 3. i play a strat w/ fralin vintage hots and a les paul standard 4. my pedal board has everything under the sun mainly i use a fulldrive mosfet
Some q's
1. How does the maz 38 head compare to the stang head? 2. Can the route 66 get good clean sounds 3. can the maz 38 and the stang get really thick sounding 4. which one can really rock 5. do all of these amps have effects loops
thank you everybody in advance for your input
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Post by mward on Mar 22, 2007 16:37:23 GMT -7
1. no idea. 2. Yes, see: www.marcusward.com/clips/stratnoodle2.mp3 (poor playing, but you get the idea). 3. no idea 4. the route66 will go all the way into crazy overdriven eddie sounds if you push it hard enough. It'll do everything in between too. 5. the 66 does not have an effects loop, but I wouldn't make that a deal breaker. I find since I got my 66 I use way less effects than when I had an amp that needed them. A telling point.
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 22, 2007 18:28:16 GMT -7
I own all three amps: The Maz is more like the Stangray than the Route 66. The Maz and the Stangray both can be had with loops. The 66 can not be had with a loop. The problem is the loops tend to cut the output of the amp so i don't use the loops. The 66 seems to like bright guitars better, to me. The 66 is very thick with almost zero sparkle or shimmer. The 66 will really rock hard if you want it to. Harder to get it to be really clean than the other two. I haven't got around to rebiasing to see if I can clean it up some more. Swapping tubes didn't do it. My 66 also has pretty strong ghost notes but you can't hear them when the band is playing. You can do nice jazzy with the 66 if you turn your guitar down. It is one loud and raw mother of an amp. In some ways it's like the normal channel of an old Marshall but thicker. The Stangray can also get pretty thick if you turn the cut down. It is really a nice amp with tons of Voxyness. It can do jazz. The Maz 38 is easily the most versatile Z amp and the quickest to adjust yourself to. If I could only have one Z this would be the keeper for me. The Maz has a little less clean headroom than the Stangray. It really depends on what you want for clean. I'm talking totally clean.
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Post by Matt H. on Mar 24, 2007 19:18:45 GMT -7
antchil,
What amp do you play now?
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Mar 24, 2007 20:39:49 GMT -7
Antchill, here is the other question, what type of music do you play?
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Post by Rockville on Mar 25, 2007 4:11:27 GMT -7
I own all three amps: The Maz is more like the Stangray than the Route 66. The Maz and the Stangray both can be had with loops. The 66 can not be had with a loop. The problem is the loops tend to cut the output of the amp so i don't use the loops. The 66 seems to like bright guitars better, to me. The 66 is very thick with almost zero sparkle or shimmer. The 66 will really rock hard if you want it to. Harder to get it to be really clean than the other two. I haven't got around to rebiasing to see if I can clean it up some more. Swapping tubes didn't do it. My 66 also has pretty strong ghost notes but you can't hear them when the band is playing. You can do nice jazzy with the 66 if you turn your guitar down. It is one loud and raw mother of an amp. In some ways it's like the normal channel of an old Marshall but thicker. The Stangray can also get pretty thick if you turn the cut down. It is really a nice amp with tons of Voxyness. It can do jazz. The Maz 38 is easily the most versatile Z amp and the quickest to adjust yourself to. If I could only have one Z this would be the keeper for me. The Maz has a little less clean headroom than the Stangray. It really depends on what you want for clean. I'm talking totally clean. What do you mean by strong ghost notes.....overtones?
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 25, 2007 8:15:40 GMT -7
A ghost note is an out of tune note that follows what you're playing but lower in pitch and lower in volume than the real note. Route 66s seem to be the worst about this. They are low enough in volume that you don't here them when the band plays. It commonly has to do with the filtering in the power supply. It can be a delicte edge for the designer. Too much filtering and the amp can sound stiff and dry, not enough and you can get the ghost notes. My theory as to why the Route 66 does this more than any other amp I can think of is because of that super thick lower midrange and upper bass that this amp puts out, like no other amp. The problem is exacerbated by my Z 2x10 cab which also puts out more of these same frequencies than any other cab I've ever heard. A pair of greenbacks would probably eliminate most of this but I like my 2x10 cab better. A rebias might help too but I haven't got around to trying that yet.
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Post by Rockville on Mar 25, 2007 14:37:00 GMT -7
A ghost note is an out of tune note that follows what you're playing but lower in pitch and lower in volume than the real note. Route 66s seem to be the worst about this. They are low enough in volume that you don't here them when the band plays. It commonly has to do with the filtering in the power supply. It can be a delicte edge for the designer. Too much filtering and the amp can sound stiff and dry, not enough and you can get the ghost notes. My theory as to why the Route 66 does this more than any other amp I can think of is because of that super thick lower midrange and upper bass that this amp puts out, like no other amp. The problem is exacerbated by my Z 2x10 cab which also puts out more of these same frequencies than any other cab I've ever heard. A pair of greenbacks would probably eliminate most of this but I like my 2x10 cab better. A rebias might help too but I haven't got around to trying that yet. Thanks Billy, never come across that before, or never noticed.
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Post by mward on Mar 25, 2007 17:57:30 GMT -7
I've never heard it out of my 66 either. I wonder if it's mostly cabinet thing. Maybe some strange standing wave phenomenon.
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 25, 2007 19:26:43 GMT -7
No, it's an electronic thing. Underfiltered ancient tube amps will do it when they're cranked. The Route 66 will do it even when run clean. It's known for that. Just goes with the territory. Like I said earlier, changing the bias may help but I haven't got around to learning that procedure yet. Mine is most noticeable at around the pitch of the high open E string. Some have said they usually hear it on lower notes but that's where mine does it the most.
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Post by Shannon on Mar 26, 2007 16:01:33 GMT -7
Here are the facts 1. I don't play country, not into the twang sound 2. I like the clips i hear of the Rt. 66.... very fat sounding. 3. i play a strat w/ fralin vintage hots and a les paul standard 4. my pedal board has everything under the sun mainly i use a fulldrive mosfet Some q's 1. How does the maz 38 head compare to the stang head? 2. Can the route 66 get good clean sounds 3. can the maz 38 and the stang get really thick sounding 4. which one can really rock 5. do all of these amps have effects loops thank you everybody in advance for your input Get them both. Mortgage your house or whatever it takes but get them both. It's worth the piece of mind you'll get from not having to second guess yourself. They're both great amps. And you know what they say... Two amps in your hand is better than a bird in the bush... or something like that. ;D
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Post by Hohn on Mar 26, 2007 21:21:05 GMT -7
Here are the facts Some q's 1. How does the maz 38 head compare to the stang head? 2. Can the route 66 get good clean sounds 3. can the maz 38 and the stang get really thick sounding 4. which one can really rock 5. do all of these amps have effects loops thank you everybody in advance for your input 1) Stang is simpler design, and imo a "purer" sound. Not as flexible as the MAZ, but if you are a pedal guy, then sky's the limit as a Stang makes any pedal sound its best. MAZ is still a fantastic amp, and the OD voicing is something that no pedal can really touch, imo. I don't own a MAZ, just a Stang, so my take on the MAZ is based only on sound clips and a couple brief music store demos. 2) RT66 can get great cleans, but not very bright. 3) Both amps can sound pretty thick with tone adjustments. Neither is going to become a rt66, though. 4) Any of them can REALLY rock. The Stang is the cleanest Z amp by far, and I think it totally rocks. Check out my crappy video clips-- even on my poor recording rig, you can still hear the greatness of the Stang coming through. FYI-- the Stang is not just a country amp. I'm not a country player at all and I LOVE my Stang. I bought mine because I personally believe that the foundation for good dirty tones starts with good clean tones. IMO, there's no better clean than the Stang, so I wanted that to come through on the dirty stuff, and it's satisfied me quite well thus far. I also have videos up of the FD2 mosfet into the Stang Ray-- just killer.
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Post by jb on Mar 31, 2007 10:28:29 GMT -7
Billyguitar, I have a Rt 66 and wanted to add one more Z to complement that amp. I like the Ghia, but I think the Maz or Stangray would be more different in terms of tone. Since you have and played them all, what do you think? Play mostly blues and rock music. For the Maz, do you prefer reverb or NR. I have Fender amps with reverb if I really need it. Thanks.
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