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Post by lowbudget on Aug 6, 2020 9:09:51 GMT -7
You remember what Frank Zappa said? Help, I’m a rock?
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Aug 6, 2020 14:30:46 GMT -7
Advertise as “relic’d using an all natural, earth-conscious process” LOL Good Idea : Although since it's a couple years old I'm actually not upset : I showed it to my Guitar tech : He said He'd be surprised if the neck didn't start wearing fast and getting darker : He was actually surprised the neck Checked :He said he's done Relic jobs on Nitro finish and hasn't had much success getting the Necks to check up. I'm going to oxidize the hardware so it matches teh rest and just play it : Is this a Custom Shop model? Just wondering how you got one in nitro.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Aug 6, 2020 16:18:03 GMT -7
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Post by sharkboy on Aug 6, 2020 18:44:18 GMT -7
Years ago (lots,) I bought my first Rickenbacker around December and wanted to kind of hide the purchase from my fiancee. I left it in the car overnight and took it out and played it in the morning. It checked fairly rapidly with the sudden temperature change. It’s conversion varnish, but the underlying principles are the same.
A friend is a luthier and he warns that we should be using an in-case adjustment of hours (I can’t remember how many) for every 10 degrees F delta. I’ve been much better about this since.
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Post by John on Aug 7, 2020 7:52:48 GMT -7
I'm surprised no one's mentioned it. (or I didn't read it) But some guitar builders/modifiers put finished guitar parts in the freezer. When they come out, the finish cracks and presto, you have a relec'd guitar.
Can't help you with what to do with the neck.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Aug 8, 2020 4:30:57 GMT -7
Years ago (lots,) I bought my first Rickenbacker around December and wanted to kind of hide the purchase from my fiancee. I left it in the car overnight and took it out and played it in the morning. It checked fairly rapidly with the sudden temperature change. It’s conversion varnish, but the underlying principles are the same. A friend is a luthier and he warns that we should be using an in-case adjustment of hours (I can’t remember how many) for every 10 degrees F delta. I’ve been much better about this since. Well, maybe I’ll just have to wait for an honest gear sneak to get some checking. This thread has really made me want to try to deliberately check an LP again.
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Post by walt on Aug 8, 2020 8:46:14 GMT -7
I had it happen before my eyes many years ago. Opening a case that had been in a trailer for at least a day traveling in the super (super) cold single digits cold rushing to get setup in Detroit. Saw it and heard it crack. No chipping but no real turning back from it either. How'd that guitar do after that happened?any playability issues?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 9:03:39 GMT -7
Nitro will totally do that, yeah--must have been a pretty extreme temp difference between indoors and out. Polyurethane finishes--on most of the lower-end Fender stuff, ironically--are much more resistant to checking. I think it's pretty unlikely it can be repaired, although you could probably seal those spots where it's chipping. Dan Erlewine would for sure be a good guy to communicate with--he literally wrote the book on guitar repair (I helped him edit it, back in the day), and he's come up with a ton of cool repair tricks over the years--so, you never know. Yeah it was Hot : As I mentioned My metal tuner slightly burned my Finger : I don't worry to much what My Fenders end up looking like : In fact I reliced one Myself Several years ago. Everything I'd read before Buying this was Fender was using a Poly base so what happened wouldn't: One of teh Other guys had a Nitro Tele NON Fender : His didn't do this : At this point it is what it is : I am going to Age the Metal and plastic : SO we'll see : I'll report when I finish it : This might be a good time to put actual 6105 Frets on it : We'll see : I'll post pictures when I get it looking right
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Post by GuitarZ on Aug 8, 2020 9:13:02 GMT -7
That's crazy. Would have not entered my mind. And, I had about four terms worth of physics in college.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 10:13:14 GMT -7
I had it happen before my eyes many years ago. Opening a case that had been in a trailer for at least a day traveling in the super (super) cold single digits cold rushing to get setup in Detroit. Saw it and heard it crack. No chipping but no real turning back from it either. How'd that guitar do after that happened?any playability issues?
It was one that got away. A real 1957 LP Jr that I had purchased at Axe In Hand in DeKalb, IL. The checking didn't change the sound or the playability at all. I had to sell it to survive after getting bounced out of the Joan band. I don't know where it is now. The guy I sold it to died 15 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 10:14:31 GMT -7
I'm surprised no one's mentioned it. (or I didn't read it) But some guitar builders/modifiers put finished guitar parts in the freezer. When they come out, the finish cracks and presto, you have a relec'd guitar. Can't help you with what to do with the neck. My buddy Josh at Protocaster has a big freezer for exactly that purpose.
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Post by sharkboy on Aug 8, 2020 11:42:22 GMT -7
Basically, it’s the coefficient of thermal expansion at work: dissimilar materials with different rates of expansion/contraction will create micro fissures through each thermal excursion. Intentional aging might work faster on a thicker finish, like conversion varnish, but the only way to avoid it under those conditions would be to Have materials with identical CTE in the material sandwich, or that they would have very flexible properties.
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Post by John on Aug 8, 2020 12:38:04 GMT -7
coefficient of thermal expansion Worst Heavy Metal band name ever...
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Post by sharkboy on Aug 8, 2020 16:36:28 GMT -7
coefficient of thermal expansion Worst Heavy Metal band name ever... But a better than average prog rock band name.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 13:52:07 GMT -7
I agree it looks awesome - love the gold! But I'm sure it was a shock when it happened, so I understand the disappointment. Not what you were expecting. But at least now you have a good story about that guitar. Here's a picture of the guitar in my profile: a '87 62 Reissue in Candy Apple Red, all relic work done by yours truly over a couple hundred gigs. If it's a good enough guitar, you get over the dings eventually. This one's going in the box with me when I pass. Nice : I popped off a piece where the paint is chipped : There's a silver gray I'm assuming Poly base coat under the nitro : I took some acid and lightly rubbed that one area : It blended away the chip and took the poly down to wood : It's the Lighter Neck color I'd like to darken up : I know I can spray tinted lacquer : But My concern is the decal : Unfortunately I can't just leave well enough alone because I can feel the weather checking on my palm and finger tips : Not sure if I dare spray a dark top coat : If It doesn't stick right I'm screwed unless I strip it to the bone : Geez I don't want to get that involved : Anyone with experience is welcome to chime in. I've painted plenty of necks and bodies with Nitro : But never something like this. Ideas based on experience would be appreciated much
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Post by trojanhov on Aug 11, 2020 16:36:54 GMT -7
People pay people to get that done. I think it looks awesome!
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Post by The Bad Poodle Experience on Aug 11, 2020 16:49:09 GMT -7
coefficient of thermal expansion Worst Heavy Metal band name ever... I believe they had a top 50 hit in Europe called "A Desperate and Annoying Search for Talent and Purpose".
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Aug 11, 2020 17:28:39 GMT -7
Worst Heavy Metal band name ever... I believe they had a top 50 hit in Europe called "A Desperate and Annoying Search for Talent and Purpose". I LOVE that record. I heard that Rick Wakeman made an uncredited appearance.
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Post by detuned on Aug 12, 2020 8:49:40 GMT -7
I believe they had a top 50 hit in Europe called "A Desperate and Annoying Search for Talent and Purpose". I LOVE that record. I heard that Rick Wakeman made an uncredited appearance. Metal band? I thought that was a Kraftwerk spinoff...
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Post by John E. on Aug 17, 2020 10:53:19 GMT -7
Same type of thing happened to me. When I was in High School I didn't always take care of my guitars like I should've, and I'd leave them in the car overnight. I had my Les Paul in there and an ice storm rolled through and the ice was so thick I couldn't even get to my truck to get it out, plus the door was frozen shut by 1/4" of ice. So 2 days later I could finally get it and I brought it into the den with the fireplace going, and immediately took it out of the case, as soon as I did it started popping. It also was bad enough it chipped off in some spots. I was sad then, but now that guitar has been through so much, the checking is the LEAST of my worries LOL
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Post by zpilot on Aug 25, 2020 14:16:43 GMT -7
I worked for a paint manufacturer back in the late '70's. I actually made nitro lacquer for awhile. That lacquer does not have enough plasticizer in it. The neck lacquer on the first batch of Eric Johnson Strats had too much. That is why they were "sticky" when we first received them and it took quite a while for the finish to cure. It looks to me like Fender needs to get a handle on their supplier.
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Post by mcook217 on Sept 22, 2020 7:43:15 GMT -7
honestly, I think it looks cool. Weird that it actually chipped some away, must have been a weak spot already, dust that didn't get taken off or something prior to finishing. Can be covered up but will ultimately show itself someday. The checking shouldn't effect the playability. It'll get worn off, someday, with play, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 9:04:14 GMT -7
honestly, I think it looks cool. Weird that it actually chipped some away, must have been a weak spot already, dust that didn't get taken off or something prior to finishing. Can be covered up but will ultimately show itself someday. The checking shouldn't effect the playability. It'll get worn off, someday, with play, anyway. Going to do an UPDATE Shortly : This guitar chipped Majorly in many places : The weather checking on the Neck once I started to play it actually lifted in spots where I could feel it on teh neck and Fret Board : I've had to take a Razor blade and scrap alot of the neck to make it playable : Something must have been wrong with this Guitar : The Tech I use is a good Friend : We've played in 3 bands together : He told me he had a Customer Bring My Same Guitar to him too weather Check : He told me that he tried every Trick there is and couldn't even get a Small spot to check > WAIT UNTIL I POST AN UPDATE THREAD : Other then the fact the Neck isn't an amber dark > This guitar looks pretty RELIC'd : I even rusted teh metal so it would match the rest of the guitar : The neck had a Pretty thick lacquer on it To My Fingers it felt like craters : I've spent many hours Doing a Little here and there to make it playable : NOT WHAT I PLANNED ON That's for sure
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 8:32:16 GMT -7
1) I like the finish checking on the gold body. Too bad about the neck. I hope you get it worked out. 2) Your avatar looks a lot like my 69 refin tele. It's a Crook Tele Relic that I was lucky enough to get the Original Fender headstock : Hard to see the neck wear in that tiny Avatar : With My Strat I've done some Relicing to make things match up more : Not something I wanted to do : Just taking My time so it looks as Natural as possible : I am pretty sure it's continuing to chip because Fender puts a Poly Base primer on Before the Nitro. Based on what's happening to mine it can't be the only one . When I talked to Fender they didn't say they had several complaints : But The Guy I spoke with was familiar with My situation immediately: Which IMO speaks Volumes : I can't imagine they will continue this process: At this point it is what it is : It's somewhat more acoustic and resonant now. Fortunately I was able to take finish off the neck without Sanding it down. I didn't realize how many coats were on it until I started to take them off . Just a Guess there's at least 10 .
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Post by zpilot on Oct 9, 2020 20:45:36 GMT -7
I'm surprised no one's mentioned it. (or I didn't read it) But some guitar builders/modifiers put finished guitar parts in the freezer. When they come out, the finish cracks and presto, you have a relec'd guitar. Can't help you with what to do with the neck. Yeah, I did that when I replaced the neck on my CS Nocaster. I bought a Warmoth bare maple neck and gave it about 7 thin coats of nitro lacquer. I let it cure for about 2 weeks. It was during winter and it was forecast one night to get down to -5 so I let it set outside overnight. In the morning I brought it inside and let it set for a minute or so. Then I grabbed it by the base and hit the headstock a few good whacks on the floor. Not something I would recommend with a Gibson mind you. It developed some nice cracks right away and some some more shortly afterward. My Nocaster has a light, natural looking relic job. It looks like a 65 year old guitar that has been played, not abused. The neck was a nice match and has become better with 10 years of nicks and dings. I lived in North Dakota for three winters. We would take our gear out of a trailer that was -20 or lower and bring it in to the gig. We tried to immediately open the guitar cases and then close them and let them set a bit while we set up gear. I would open and close the case periodically until the guitar warmed up. It was a new 1972 Les Paul. I did not get any checking to speak of. Except once when we were pressed for time and I was not able to let it warm up. The checking was noticeable but not extreme. During this and with my Nocaster I NEVER had any finish delaminate.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Dec 3, 2020 20:48:35 GMT -7
That body looks pretty nice. I'm not a big fan of fake, super over done relics. This one is all natural.
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Post by aaronpdx on Jan 29, 2021 23:49:04 GMT -7
I'm probably the odd man out, but I think it looks Bitchin! You should be able to sell that for more than you paid to somebody who loves beat up guitars! I agree! I actually think it looks pretty great.
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