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Post by bubs42 on Dec 28, 2019 11:39:55 GMT -7
I for one need some Therapy, I was jonesing for anther amp and I wanted it to be a Z. That 25-30 watt range seems to make me happy, and I was really pulling for a Remedy, but I have had my hands on a Therapy and liked it. I just snagged one at a great price and after it comes in, i'll have to start looking for a 1x12 cabinet to match. I did play one that was attached to a Z Best and it sounded great too. I'm back on board and looking forward to it.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Dec 28, 2019 15:43:55 GMT -7
Welcome back! There have been some great deals on Z amps if you're patient!
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Post by JasonM on Dec 28, 2019 18:18:00 GMT -7
A wise choice my friend, it's a fantastic tone machine for sure!
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Post by helmi on Dec 29, 2019 6:13:11 GMT -7
Welcome to the Therapy club. remember, you can use, 6l6, el34, 6v6, kt 77, or 6ca7 without having to bias. enjoy.
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Post by bubs42 on Dec 29, 2019 9:40:54 GMT -7
Welcome to the Therapy club. remember, you can use, 6l6, el34, 6v6, kt 77, or 6ca7 without having to bias. enjoy. Thanks, this is another reason I ended up going with it over the Remedy. I really love the short bottle 6l6's, they sound like big 6v6's. I also like the KT77, so i'm sure I'll have some fun with it. I have couple of speakers that I have been saving for a 2x12, but I think i'm going to see about just getting (later down the road) two Z 1x12's. Then I can just split the cabs if I just want to take one. I so this with another amp that I have, I run one speaker in the combo and then and extension cabinet with the other speaker in it. 1 alnico and one ceramic and they blend well together and fill each other out.
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Post by bubs42 on Dec 29, 2019 11:04:02 GMT -7
I played a Ghia a friend has a while back. It was sitting on a wide/short Z 2x10 and I thought that combination was great. Well one of those cabs popped up on reverb so I bought it. It may work well with the Therapy and its only a matter of time before I buy a Ghia or Z28. See i'm sick, I need help. LOL
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Post by JasonM on Dec 29, 2019 14:39:14 GMT -7
I've used the current Z 2x10 style cab with my Therapy since day one and It sounds fantastic. For the past few years I've had two Celestion Golds in there but originally it was the 2 Z 10s and those sounded fantastic also. A Z 10 and a Gold were a nice mix as well... might have to give that one a try again someday. Anyways I hope you like the 2x10 you have inbound!
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Dec 30, 2019 18:34:46 GMT -7
I've been liking my 2x10 Z cab open back with the Therapy for a while now. Great combination!
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Post by bubs42 on Dec 30, 2019 19:11:07 GMT -7
Well the 2x10 Z is going to be my only options for a while, at least it sounds promising.
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Post by Russell B on Dec 31, 2019 5:35:21 GMT -7
The Therapy is great! Enjoy!
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Post by bubs42 on Dec 31, 2019 7:34:48 GMT -7
My 2x10 is shipping out this morning. So it should arrive before the Therapy does.
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Post by bubs42 on Jan 7, 2020 7:38:15 GMT -7
Big Brown is bring me some Therapy today!
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jan 7, 2020 12:32:02 GMT -7
You know, the Therapy has such a great grind to it's tone that you might miss out on the cleaner side of it. Don't wait too long to crank the Master up to full and then check out the cleaner tones it gives up. It's just a great sounding amp...I love setting mine up at the verge of fat breakup and riding my guitar volume to change its character. It's a really responsive amp, you're gonna have a great day!
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Post by bubs42 on Jan 7, 2020 19:38:07 GMT -7
Clean Clean to mean, it does cover a lot of ground. Into the "Short" Dr Z 2x10 its sounds really good, but feels a little restricted. So I plugged it into a 2x2 with V30 and didn't like it much. Tried a 1x12 with Red Fang, better, another 1x12 with a CV65, better. With 12's is sounds strill, single notes are thin. V1 had a JJ ec83s, V2 had a Ruby High Gain 12ax7. JJ 6l6 and a Chinese rectifier tube.
I did a little swapping tonight robbing some tubes off the shelf and out of another amp. I put a JJ Rectifier in it along with an old RCA in V1. Better, but I want to pull the tubes from another amp I have with 6l6's.
I do like the looks of the amp, but when I pulled the back panel, I realized that someone had swapped the head shell with one from a Remedy. Black with he Z Wreck Grill, it looks sharp.
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Post by bubs42 on Jan 8, 2020 9:14:13 GMT -7
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Jan 8, 2020 9:59:58 GMT -7
From the Dr Z website: Therapy V1: JJ ECC83, V2: Ruby 12AX7 AC5 HG+, V3-4: JJ 6L6 GC (matched pair), V5: Shu Guang 5AR4 Recommended Bias Point: Cathode Biased (no re-biasing necessary) Fuse Value: 2A 250V SLO 1.25″ x .25″
My Therapy is anything but shrill - in fact I tend to work at brightening it up a bit: Bass no higher than 9:00, and mids/treble pushed high. I run into a 2x12 with a v30 and H30, and I love it’s tone. I ran the stock JJ 6L6s for a while, then I used JJ KT77s and loved those, now I’m running Svetlana EL34’s to use the Therapy as a “Marshall-esque” tone in a multi-amp set up (but always through the same 2x12).
I bought mine new, so can’t say if your previous owner tinkered with anything when changing cabs that might have created the shrillness.
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Post by bubs42 on Jan 8, 2020 10:06:24 GMT -7
From the Dr Z website: Therapy V1: JJ ECC83, V2: Ruby 12AX7 AC5 HG+, V3-4: JJ 6L6 GC (matched pair), V5: Shu Guang 5AR4 Recommended Bias Point: Cathode Biased (no re-biasing necessary) Fuse Value: 2A 250V SLO 1.25″ x .25″ My Therapy is anything but shrill - in fact I tend to work at brightening it up a bit: Bass no higher than 9:00, and mids/treble pushed high. I run into a 2x12 with a v30 and H30, and I love it’s tone. I ran the stock JJ 6L6s for a while, then I used JJ KT77s and loved those, now I’m running Svetlana EL34’s to use the Therapy as a “Marshall-esque” tone in a multi-amp set up (but always through the same 2x12). I bought mine new, so can’t say if your previous owner tinkered with anything when changing cabs that might have created the shrillness. With that being said, I do have the "Stock Tubes" that came from the factory. Hum, I doubt that anything has been tinkered with, other than the cab swap.
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Post by Ridgeback on Jan 8, 2020 10:11:02 GMT -7
While it's nice to have a spare set of power tubes, you will get more tonal shaping bang for your buck by trying different speakers than you will by trying different brands of the same kind of power tubes IMO. Most speakers are pretty inexpensive, especially used via CL, and can be flipped pretty easily if they turn out to not float your boat. Shrill is not generally associated with the Therapy in the posts I've read and in my personal experience but I only play mine clean so it may be in there and I've just never heard it. I hope you get it worked out.
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Post by bubs42 on Jan 8, 2020 10:17:21 GMT -7
While it's nice to have a spare set of power tubes, you will get more tonal shaping bang for your buck by trying different speakers than you will by trying different brands of the same kind of power tubes IMO. Most speakers are pretty inexpensive, especially used via CL, and can be flipped pretty easily if they turn out to not float your boat. Shrill is not generally associated with the Therapy in the posts I've read and in my personal experience but I only play mine clean so it may be in there and I've just never heard it. I hope you get it worked out. I might just be pushing up to its limit. I have tried 3 Speakers that I like that I used plus the Z210 cab. It likes the 10's, but none of the 12's. If you clean the amp up it gets better, and i'm sure it takes pedals like a champ. I'll work on it a bit, it just may not be my thing.
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Post by Ridgeback on Jan 8, 2020 12:51:27 GMT -7
The Therapy might not have what you are looking for in its DNA. It happens. Good luck
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Post by helmi on Jan 8, 2020 13:39:00 GMT -7
Shrill is not generally associated with the Therapy in the posts I've read and in my personal experience but I only play mine clean so it may be in there and I've just never heard it. No shrill at all in mine, and I HATE shrill. that's the reason I love the therapy so much. just the option of running 5 different types of power tubes makes it worth the money. of the 4- Z models I've had, it's by far my favorite. don't give up on it.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jan 8, 2020 15:56:17 GMT -7
My Therapy is the warmest sounding amp I have, and I'm lucky to own a bunch. I run my bass 8:30-9:00 max, mids to taste and treble up around 3:00 or higher.
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Post by bubs42 on Jan 8, 2020 17:45:09 GMT -7
It is very possible that it just isn't going to sound like I want it. I did stick OEM Pre's and Rectifier back in, but put my set of TAD Short 6l6's in it. The lows got a bit tighter and the highs were better. It works with my CV65, i'm not ready to give up on it yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 18:28:49 GMT -7
I saw a young female singer songwriter here in Phoenix a few weeks back. Her guitar player was using a Maz 38 combo loaded with an Alnico Ruby and he also had a Therapy and amp switcher sitting on top of it. His tone with P90's was pretty darn good. Just a little bit of grit on a clean tone. That's what got me interested in checking out a Therapy. I think the Ruby has the chime and also a little bit of V30 midrange in it.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Jan 9, 2020 5:28:35 GMT -7
My Therapy is the warmest sounding amp I have, and I'm lucky to own a bunch. I run my bass 8:30-9:00 max, mids to taste and treble up around 3:00 or higher. This is pretty much how mine is set. I find if the bass is any higher it’s prone to get dark and a bit muffled.
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Post by helmi on Jan 9, 2020 14:12:45 GMT -7
My Therapy is the warmest sounding amp I have, and I'm lucky to own a bunch. I run my bass 8:30-9:00 max, mids to taste and treble up around 3:00 or higher. This is pretty much how mine is set. I find if the bass is any higher it’s prone to get dark and a bit muffled. I agree. sometimes my bass is almost all the way off.
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Post by bubs42 on Jan 9, 2020 17:55:00 GMT -7
But where are you guys running your volume and gain at? If your running things on a clean and lean sid, I can see pushing the Treble a bit on the higher side. It doesn't get much better clean or slightly gritty clean. Once I start pushing the volume or the gain, I don't like the sound for the feel of anything in the upper register. I have closed my eyes and dialed it with my ears and not my eyes. As long as what I'm hearing is what it is supposed to sound like, i'm ok with not connecting with it. It may just not be for me.
I've had the a couple of Z's now and the Doc's cocktail my just not be my drink of choice. You guys are as always super nice and super helpful, that is the one reason I keep trying.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Jan 9, 2020 19:07:13 GMT -7
I’m diming the MV and running V at 2-4. In other words running it very hard and distorted. Really pushing it into Marshall territory. I use a Powerstation so I don’t kill all living things in the vicinity.
That said, tone is extremely subjective and you might hear mine and call it “shrill.” To my ear it is beautifully driven and sounds great with the band. But I’m much more a Zep guy than a Metallica guy, fwiw.
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