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Post by easyed on Oct 1, 2019 19:42:32 GMT -7
Hi.
I just listed my MAZ 18 JR reverb 2x10 on the local craigslist. Then I did search for MAZ and found another 2x10 Jr for $400 less than my price and a 1x12 for $50 more than that.
The listing for $900 was requesting a quick sale. His listing did not include the upgrade & spares for 6p14p power tubes, Brake Lite, cooling fan, or padded cover that were included in my amp price. I bought the amp in 2016 for $1400, never gigged it, bought 2 pair of 6p14p's from PerryR.
I'm not expecting a quick sale - it took me 3 months to sell my cherry '69 Super Reverb and I had to cut my price to get a nibble.
I've experienced aging reduction of physical ability and I have real trouble getting a 50 lb parcel into the trunk of my Subaru.
My question: Are MAZ owners in the rest of the country (I'm in Seattle) having a hard time selling these great amps?
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Post by purpletele on Oct 1, 2019 20:29:07 GMT -7
Hi. My question: Are MAZ owners in the rest of the country (I'm in Seattle) having a hard time selling these great amps? Absolutely! I have had to accept heavily discounted prices in order to sell my Z amps, it is shameful and really takes the fun out of trying different amps. Here is what I have learned, If you have a Maz with a big cabinet, send it in for an upgrade (chassis only), but order a head cabinet from Mather or a Studio Cab from Z or Mather. Or deal with local Craigslist, but that is brutal. There is a 2 x 10 Maz 38 on CL locally for $900, it has been there for 3 months. Yes it is painful
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Post by Ridgeback on Oct 2, 2019 4:49:50 GMT -7
Hello fellow Seattle-ite. The Maz 18 has been a very popular model for a lot of years but that also means there are a ton of them out there for sale at any one time. With the internet, you are basically competing with the rest of the country for price shopping. My pristine 18 NR combo with a Blue. padded cover, and a brake lite installed took forever to sell on CL, and that was 7-8 years ago. I don't think it's a current recession thing. Just supply and demand. Even priced at 50% of new, it might take a while, especially for a local sale. Good luck.
Edited to add that recent Reverb actual sales are a pretty good baseline for current market value on an amp that is as prevalent as the Maz 18.
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Post by DRZ on Oct 2, 2019 6:08:51 GMT -7
Yes there are plenty of MAZ 18's in the field. To date we have sold 3096 MAZ 18 reverbs, and 2238 MAZ 18 NR's. That is almost 6 a week for 20 years. FYI , Z
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Post by lowbudget on Oct 2, 2019 6:21:15 GMT -7
I would say that generally what we see is not so much a hard time selling a particular amp, but rather sellers having a hard time accepting what they’re actually worth in the marketplace. It’s sad but true. The market seeks it own level. If one really wants to sell something, put it on Reverb with no reserve. It’ll sell for what it’s worth at that moment in time. The alternative is to hold out indefinitely for a sucker. It happens but it’s not usually the real market.
I have 8-10 beautiful Z amps that I’ll be selling shortly so I’ll likely be experiencing this heartache firsthand. It’s brutal but it’s reality, and it isn’t temporary. It’s just the immutable law of supply and demand at work.
Edited to add: It has to be said that the Doc has helped all us sellers by making sure his dealers sell new at the same set price. Can you imagine how it would affect the resale market if pricing on new ones was all over the place?
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Post by digs57 on Oct 2, 2019 7:43:01 GMT -7
Ah if only they were timmy's...yeah you have to sometimes take the hit...saw a newer maz 8 on reverb (man I wanted that thing)....sat for couple months at least
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Post by KeithA on Oct 2, 2019 9:14:27 GMT -7
Yes there are plenty of MAZ 18's in the field. To date we have sold 3096 MAZ 18 reverbs, and 2238 MAZ 18 NR's. That is almost 6 a week for 20 years. FYI , Z That's a great run. When you note these builds and combine them with all the other models, it's not a stretch that there would be 200-ish used amps on Reverb.com at any given time. I wonder how many times in the last 2-3 years did you say "I'm sure glad i'm not starting in this industry today!"
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Post by Rik on Oct 3, 2019 7:22:49 GMT -7
I would n ver sell my Maz!!
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Post by easyed on Oct 8, 2019 20:51:02 GMT -7
I would never sell my Maz!! Rik, That's what I thought, but my 60's have passed too quickly. I turn 70 in February. My prospects for joining a gigging band are nil, regular jams are not much better. When I do have an opportunity to play (out of the house), I take my 28-pound 18-Watt 1x12 amp, not my 56-pound 2x10 MAZ 18. The good news is that I'm not cash hungry, so I'm not in a hurry to sell the amp. I think I'm offering a really good deal, but most of the players that could really use this amp (and pay the price) already have the amp that suits them. They players that could benefit most from this amp can't afford it unless there's some financing in place. So I'm left hoping that that rare bird that wants to try this amp and can afford it will show up. I may end up listing it for 6 months and I'll be incrementally dropping the price until I catch that buyer.
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Post by DeanG on Oct 9, 2019 1:59:19 GMT -7
Finally sold the MAZ 38 MKII. 33 days on Craigslist, TGP and Z-Talk. 14 days on Reverb. With $600 add-ons, was able to recoup half before fees, from Reverb sale. Hopefully it is not a buy try deal. Buyer got a killer Amp. Seems when an used Amp is over $1000 the buyer population drops. I rather have sold the Amp on Z-Talk, but our 30 day active account rule may be a limiter. May be if that was a seller only rule could help attract more buyers. My suggestion answered with understanding. ztalk.proboards.com/thread/81055/post-sale
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Post by doctorice on Oct 9, 2019 9:12:37 GMT -7
There's a classic paper in economics called "The Market for Lemons". It uses the used-car market to show how information asymmetry (the seller knows more than the buyer about the item's quality) can lead to large price discounts or even a "market failure" when nothing transacts. I think this is part of the explanation for what goes on in the used amp market in addition to basic supply and demand factors.
My sense is that amps like Zs fetch 50% to 70% (rarely that high) on the used market for amps that have no issues other than minor cosmetic wear.
DeanG: if your MAZ 38 sale doesn't stick, let me know. I was very tempted.
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Post by Rik on Oct 9, 2019 18:47:54 GMT -7
Buy a dolly!!!!! Sorry can’t imagine life without my Z
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Post by easyed on Oct 12, 2019 10:37:44 GMT -7
Seems when an used Amp is over $1000 the buyer population drops. Well, my prospective buyer finally backed out after showing interest for two weeks. It amazes me that there are players shelling out $1000 and more for a new Fender reissue, yet so few buyers for a top quality used amp for the same or less. I'm not in a hurry to sell - I can afford to wait. With CL, you never know. In a month or so I may sign up and list on Reverb. The "shoppers" are more sophisticated than on CL. My reluctance to using Reverb is that I really don't want to hassle with shipping the amp.
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Post by purpletele on Oct 12, 2019 11:05:02 GMT -7
Seems when an used Amp is over $1000 the buyer population drops. I'm not in a hurry to sell - I can afford to wait. With CL, you never know. In a month or so I may sign up and list on Reverb. The "shoppers" are more sophisticated than on CL. My reluctance to using Reverb is that I really don't want to hassle with shipping the amp. Shipping that amp will ruin your day. Reverb is almost prohibitive with fees and tax. maybe try expanding your Craigslist listing. One thought is that you might consider selling the amp chassis only and then put the cab on Reverb. I bet you could get $900 for the chassis amp and shipping is much more reasonable.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Oct 12, 2019 11:42:46 GMT -7
You can specify in Reverb that it’s local only
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Post by DeanG on Oct 12, 2019 12:23:57 GMT -7
Finally sold the MAZ 38 MKII.... Reverb sale. Hopefully it is not a buy try deal. Buyer got a killer Amp. Good news got a 5 Star feedback. "Amp is phenomenal. Left you good feedback! Thanks so much Dean! 🙏🙏🙏 " Shipped FedEx highly recommeded. Did cost $51 from 75002 Dallas to 37013 Nashville, 37lbs.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Oct 12, 2019 12:42:59 GMT -7
Share wish I could find some recession pricing on a new Nova combo, just sayin... 😎
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Post by Rockerfeller on Oct 12, 2019 18:32:59 GMT -7
Recession pricing can mean only one thing: Time to acquire!
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Oct 23, 2019 18:45:16 GMT -7
Seems to go in cycles too. Pre-Reverb days I hit on a Ghia 112 for $850 shipped. Unfortunately it got trashed by UPS. But I rarely see them drop like that.
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Post by tele81 on Oct 24, 2019 16:24:01 GMT -7
There is a minty Maz 18 jr reverb on my CL. He’s asking 1250 and said he’d take 1200 would I be over paying? I have seen a few Maz hitting the 1000 mark but they tend to be Oder ones no loop or boost.
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Oct 25, 2019 4:15:30 GMT -7
There is a minty Maz 18 jr reverb on my CL. He’s asking 1250 and said he’d take 1200 would I be over paying? I have seen a few Maz hitting the 1000 mark but they tend to be Oder ones no loop or boost. You didn't mention if it was a combo or head, or how new it is. (Effects loop, tone bypass,etc.)The fact that you can perhaps test it and see it in person is nice. If its newer and a combo MK2 even, I'd say it's a very good price. If it's a head and older (at least loop and bypass) I'd play it and offer $1000 to $1100 depending on condition. You'll probably want to send it in to Doc for Mk2 updates. Do a little homework compare it to Reverb offerings. My $.02 FWIW.
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