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Post by DRZ on Mar 9, 2019 5:28:35 GMT -7
I really love the Therapy, it's unique mix of classic tones , simple design driven by two 6L6's. How would a Therapy combo work in your estimation? Packaging it in a 1X12 in a top loaded cab ( think JW style cab ) with a Metro Zero Loss effects Loop.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Mar 9, 2019 7:00:24 GMT -7
It's a great idea, and I would have preferred it over the head/cab configuration that I have now. A lot of times I've used another amp like my Z-Lux or Z-Wreck combo over the Therapy simply because it takes another trip during the load in/out. I was hoping that I could swap the Therapy head out with the Z-Wreck combo but the dimensions aren't right. I bet it would be a winner.
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Post by Ridgeback on Mar 9, 2019 7:09:04 GMT -7
The Therapy is a great design (the Z-28 is still my favorite though). I was lucky enough to snag Therapy #001 from benttop about a year ago. With the flexibility of this amp, I would think a combo would be great for gigging players. If you didn't have to invest too much in new tooling, it seems there would be enough interest out there to do a limited test run. On the other hand, you have a couple of recent new models in the general size ballpark so maybe the demand is diluted somewhat.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Mar 9, 2019 7:57:32 GMT -7
I wonder how the decision to offer head, cab, or both configurations on any amp is made. I have a therapy head and love it with a 2x12 cab, and like the flexibility of changing cabs. However, I’m not gigging currently so load-in/load-out is not an issue.
My “sideline” view is that if it doesn’t unreasonably increase design it mfg’g costs, offering designs in both head and cab configurations covers all bases of demand.
Then again, what do I know - other than how to pick the right amp to buy😁
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Post by mrcapers on Mar 9, 2019 8:10:58 GMT -7
I have a Cure, Remedy, and Z-plus. I'd give the Therapy combo a shot, but I'd definitely buy a 20W Remedy combo. Just never have the need for more than 20 watts. Not a money issue, it's a weight and size issue.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Mar 9, 2019 8:44:47 GMT -7
I'm gonna look at this from the angle of: is there one & only one definitive speaker pairing that "should" always be paired with an amp. If so... combo.
For instance, I've found that my M12 + Scumback M75-PVC = perfect pairing all-around, and therefore it's in a combo cab with that speaker and the two shall forever be married. Blackface Deluxe Reverb + Weber 12F150. Same, too, I believe with a MAZ 18 and a G12H-30. And the Z-Wreck + Gold (which is already paired as an amazing combo), etc. But there's other amps where I'd prefer, say, the option of a different 1x12 & 2x12 (or even 4x12 if I could!) at times.
In your estimation, Doc, is there a definitive "perfect pairing" speaker for the Therapy? (Tell me, too, is it one of those WGS's that you've been trying out lately?) If so, then yeah, lock it up & make a combo! I know your sales lean more heavily to the combos, so this could be a good thing.
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Post by sugartune on Mar 9, 2019 8:58:35 GMT -7
Love mine. Can’t see why I wouldn’t dig a combo with the “optimal” speaker pairing, per your estimation.
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Post by pcns on Mar 9, 2019 10:41:25 GMT -7
I would use it more than my head. I'm more of a grab and go guy so combos work best for me.
I love the head I have and especially paired with my V30 2x12. It's just too much for me to carry aound.
My 2 cents, Todd
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 12:00:56 GMT -7
The timing of this thread couldn't be better. I'm still debating between purchasing a Z Wreck combo with half power or a Z Plus lite combo. The Therapy is attractive but head only configuration is a deal breaker for me. I'd buy a Therapy combo over the Z Plus combo, especially if the Therapy could be fitted with a half power switch.
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Post by Ridgeback on Mar 9, 2019 13:00:21 GMT -7
The timing of this thread couldn't be better. I'm still debating between purchasing a Z Wreck combo with half power or a Z Plus lite combo. The Therapy is attractive but head only configuration is a deal breaker for me. I'd buy a Therapy combo over the Z Plus combo, especially if the Therapy could be fitted with a half power switch. Jared The master volume is really effective on the Therapy. Probably doesn't need a half power switch IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 13:15:06 GMT -7
The timing of this thread couldn't be better. I'm still debating between purchasing a Z Wreck combo with half power or a Z Plus lite combo. The Therapy is attractive but head only configuration is a deal breaker for me. I'd buy a Therapy combo over the Z Plus combo, especially if the Therapy could be fitted with a half power switch. Jared The master volume is really effective on the Therapy. Probably doesn't need a half power switch IMO. I don't know about that. The Z Plus has a good Master but it still needs to be opened up to really come to life in either power mode. Jared
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Mar 9, 2019 13:22:53 GMT -7
I think the idea is sound, but...personally I don't like top mounted cabs, because if you stack two different amp cabs, the top loaded has to be on top, which may not be where you want it. You also could not stack two Therapy combos. Since the Therapy head will fit in a standard cab and a studio cab, couldn't you make the type of cab an option. I'm guessing that making a combo would only involve making new face and back plates. In that case, they could be double printed and used for combos or heads. If the combos then don't work, you could still use the front and back plates and the heads with the upside down plates on the back side, could potentially become collectors items.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Mar 9, 2019 15:08:44 GMT -7
I will say this, too--a good M.V. is practically essential for a combo, too. (Thankfully, the Therapy has one.) If you're hooking up a head & cab with external cables... well, then, it's not much more work to hook up a Brake Lite SA or Air Brake in the process. But reaching into the back of a combo cab to mess with the Brake Lite is far less easy than dialing the MV on your amp's faceplate if it's a combo. I forgot to mention this in my earlier post.
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Post by Russell B on Mar 9, 2019 15:26:44 GMT -7
Doc, it would be great great great! I think the Therapy would sound great in a combo! I love the top loaded cabs as well. The stock speaker could be a V30 with the options for a Gold or Ruby!
Just think of the single trip from the truck!
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Mar 9, 2019 16:45:36 GMT -7
I’d love it. I love the voice of the Therapy. Maybe a higher gain model and I’m in.
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Post by helmi on Mar 9, 2019 18:27:50 GMT -7
With all due respect Doc, you would know this better than anyone. Is the popularity, and the sales figures high enough on the Therapy to justify this? is redesigning it for a combo cab gonna be worth the effort. are the people who already own the head, really going to sell their heads and buy the combo? is it going to entice that many people to buy it now that it comes in a combo form? to me, the therapy head is already pretty hefty, how heavy would it be in a combo? no sarcasim intended, but people are always gung-ho about things until it comes time to personally shell out their money. I'm just playing devil's advocate with you here. your much more knowledgeable than the rest of us when it comes to the answer to this question!
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Post by DRZ on Mar 10, 2019 3:27:29 GMT -7
Point well taken Martin. Sometimes I like to float an idea out just to see what the responce will be.
I do really dig the Therapy, and thought maybe a new set of clothes might generate some added interest. I also feel it would work well as a combo, it has that Low Powered Tweed Twin thing going, so a top mount resonate combo cab would enhance it's package, IMHO.
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Post by helmi on Mar 10, 2019 4:14:33 GMT -7
You are the expert and mastermind sir! (lol)
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Post by ss "Shane" on Mar 11, 2019 4:05:32 GMT -7
The Therapy is my favorite Z amp in production at the moment. It’s master volume the best I’ve ever used and I’ve never even considered an attenuator. The Therapy in an ultra light 1X12 combo would be the way to go.
There’s a loyal fan base of tweed based amps, myself included. To me the Therapy is the only Z I’ve played that reminds me of my old tweed Fenders but with that Z magic going on, which makes the Therapy more desirable. The sound guy I’m usually dealing with loves my Therapy because it’s so controllable but to be fair, he’s a tweed fan as well.
A while back I floated the idea because I think a combo version would be great. I think another member mentioned tube rattle being a factor against the combo idea. It made sense to me but what do I know. If a Therapy combo was ever created it would shoot to the top of my short list of must haves. Now if you really want to cover ALL ground, make the Therapy Combo in a laquered tweed covered cab with a gorgeous cream colored “Z” on the front. I’m just being selfish now lol. !
The speaker of choice for me right now is the Gold but that pairing might not appeal to everybody. What I think will appeal to most is the more affordable Creamback 65.
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Post by ss "Shane" on Mar 11, 2019 4:19:52 GMT -7
The timing of this thread couldn't be better. I'm still debating between purchasing a Z Wreck combo with half power or a Z Plus lite combo. The Therapy is attractive but head only configuration is a deal breaker for me. I'd buy a Therapy combo over the Z Plus combo, especially if the Therapy could be fitted with a half power switch. Jared Lots if folks read Therapy specs and think 35 watts is hot and probably needs a half power switch. After having experience with several Z amps, the Wreck Combo included, I can tell you that the Therapy doesn’t need a half power switch. I say this with a thousand percent confidence. It’s perfect as is and believe it or not, it’s my go to amp when I go do an acoustic jam or practice in small places. You don’t need to have the Therapy on a particular volume setting to get a beautiful clean or smooth break up.
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Post by Paul (TRANE) on Mar 11, 2019 8:33:50 GMT -7
Personally, I think it is an awesome idea.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 10:28:32 GMT -7
The timing of this thread couldn't be better. I'm still debating between purchasing a Z Wreck combo with half power or a Z Plus lite combo. The Therapy is attractive but head only configuration is a deal breaker for me. I'd buy a Therapy combo over the Z Plus combo, especially if the Therapy could be fitted with a half power switch. Jared Lots if folks read Therapy specs and think 35 watts is hot and probably needs a half power switch. After having experience with several Z amps, the Wreck Combo included, I can tell you that the Therapy doesn’t need a half power switch. I say this with a thousand percent confidence. It’s perfect as is and believe it or not, it’s my go to amp when I go do an acoustic jam or practice in small places. You don’t need to have the Therapy on a particular volume setting to get a beautiful clean or smooth break up. I agree the Therapy sounds good at all volumes but there's definitely a sweet spot on the master when that knob is opened up about 65% - 75% of the way. The sweet spot on the Z plus is pretty much in the same place at full or half power too. Jared
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Mar 11, 2019 10:35:17 GMT -7
Realizing that Docs not in the cabinet business, it would be cool if those of us with Therapy heads could get top loaded combo cabs for them.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Mar 11, 2019 12:21:43 GMT -7
I agree the Therapy sounds good at all volumes but there's definitely a sweet spot on the master when that knob is opened up about 65% - 75% of the way. The sweet spot on the Z plus is pretty much in the same place at full or half power too. Jared I agree - and this is why I use a brake lite with the therapy notwithstanding the excellent Master Volume.
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Post by purpletele on Mar 11, 2019 20:50:28 GMT -7
Z,
You would want to include the EQ By Pass on the Therapy.
It really worked well for me on that amp
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Post by DRZ on Mar 12, 2019 3:30:55 GMT -7
Z, You would want to include the EQ By Pass on the Therapy. It really worked well for me on that amp I'll have to give it a try.
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Post by ineedtherapy (Stuart) on Mar 13, 2019 3:30:56 GMT -7
I went on a head and cab kick for a long time because I think they look much cooler than combos. The idea was to have a cab at home and a cab at my church. Move heads back and forth as desired. I’m selling my head and cab setups now and going back to combos. They are so much easier for those of us without a road crew. The Therapy is a heavy head on its own, but even with the added weight, it’s gonna be lighter than loading/unloading a head and cab.
For whatever it’s worth, I play in a smallish church. Myself and another guitarist both have Therapy’s. I use my Airbrake on all of my amps, but neither of us use an attenuator with the Therapy. I think it’s perfect as is! No need for half power. But I have always wondered why it didn’t have an eq bypass footswitch.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Mar 13, 2019 4:07:11 GMT -7
Doc used a different tone stack design on the Therapy. When you turn the BMT all of the way down, no signal passes through. But you could still bypass that part of the circuit with a switch. That would be interesting.
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Post by walt on Mar 13, 2019 17:31:04 GMT -7
I think a 1x12 Therapy would do well-with doc's chosen speaker-a Z-12 maybe?that's what I like with it,I think the speaker matching throws some people off with this versatile timeless amp. Oh,and that 1x12 better have side handles,the head is heavy already!
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Mar 13, 2019 19:30:42 GMT -7
Like the side handle idea.
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