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Post by fdgtrman197 on Feb 27, 2019 11:58:33 GMT -7
I am about to venture to Northern Indiana and hopefully purchase my first Dr Z amp from a retailer. Thinking of Maz 18 or Nova. Hard to come face to face with one in my area and have never actually played one but in all video demos I've seen they sound amazing! Some folks might think I am a delusional alien from the planet of anti tone purists, but I really want a nice effects loop. I will be running H9, Strymon, Earthquaker time based effects in the loop and want one that works well. In the amp descriptions and comparisons pages there are different loops. There are: F/X Loop Buffered F/X Loop Metro Zero Loss F/X Loop Tube Buffered F/X Loop
What are the differences in these, if any? Would one suit my needs better than another?
Also, are there any amps that are better than others with pedals such as OD's in front?
Thanks
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Feb 27, 2019 13:52:46 GMT -7
I think the descriptions Buffered FX Loop and Tube Buffered FX Loop are the same. I’ve yet to see any SS parts in a Z amp. The types of loops can be very important when using modulation, time based, and verb in the loop. Tube buffered generally is most favored, though you can get good results with SS buffers, both in the amp and in pedal form. I defer to others on ODs.
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Post by purpletele on Feb 27, 2019 16:26:08 GMT -7
The Metro Zero Loss FX Loop is a stand alone SS circuit that is made by George Metropolous. I have one in my hand for use in an amp but I haven't tried it.
The Metro Loop is standard on Friedman amps and some others.
If you are buying a new Maz or Nova then you will have a nice Tube driven buffered FX Loop. I understand that they are fantastic, I had a Maz but didn't use it.
I have a Z-Plus and the FX Loop is quiet and does what it should.
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Post by KeithA on Feb 27, 2019 17:59:40 GMT -7
The Metro Zero Loss FX Loop is a stand alone SS circuit that is made by George Metropolous. I have one in my hand for use in an amp but I haven't tried it. The Metro Loop is standard on Friedman amps and some others. If you are buying a new Maz or Nova then you will have a nice Tube driven buffered FX Loop. I understand that they are fantastic, I had a Maz but didn't use it. I have a Z-Plus and the FX Loop is quiet and does what it should. +1000
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Post by zpilot on Feb 28, 2019 5:14:51 GMT -7
I think there is some confusion here. At least to me. The Metro FX loop in the NOVA is Solid State with no tubes in its circuit. The Dr Z website states that the MKII MAZ 18 also has a buffered loop now. I think it is safe to assume that it is also the Metro circuit although the site does not state that.
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Post by doctorice on Feb 28, 2019 8:19:49 GMT -7
I've used the f/x loops in the Z-Plus, Cure and Nova (had Z swap in the Metro as the first batch did not use this). No problems encountered, but there are so many pedals out there these days that it may not be possible to say there never will be an issue.
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Post by fdgtrman197 on Mar 14, 2019 17:50:52 GMT -7
Thanks for the input. I’m thinking the Metro loop is the way to go. Looks like it’s only available on the Nova though. Could a Maz 18 be upgraded to the Metro loop?
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Mar 19, 2019 5:41:54 GMT -7
The Metro loop has different jack spacing so the Z chassis have to be modified to accommodate it. It won't just drop in to the chassis that Doc was using before bringing it into production. I got Nova S/N 2 and when it was built the Metro loop wasn't available, so I am going to send my chassis in to Doc for a retrofit. I'll let him do the machining on it!
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Post by fdgtrman197 on Mar 20, 2019 10:15:52 GMT -7
Can the Metro Loop be installed in an older Maz 18 that doesn’t have a loop?
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Post by purpletele on Mar 20, 2019 10:57:32 GMT -7
Can the Metro Loop be installed in an older Maz 18 that doesn’t have a loop? Sure
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Post by doctorice on Mar 20, 2019 11:19:42 GMT -7
I got Nova S/N 2 and when it was built the Metro loop wasn't available, so I am going to send my chassis in to Doc for a retrofit. I'll let him do the machining on it!
That what I did with Nova #4.
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Post by jbrad on Mar 20, 2019 13:23:08 GMT -7
I have Nova #7. Just wondering if it would be the metropoulos loop?
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