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Post by bigben55 on Jan 14, 2019 19:01:58 GMT -7
Caveat 1: it probably isnt fully broken in. This speaker was built 5/18 and they do a factory 20 hr break in, but this one can take up to 60 hrs. It was used so I dont know how many hours are on it. Caveat 2: after installing it I had @45 min to play it. I plugged straight in, no effects, with the Brake Lite on 2. Ran the strat, the tele, and the P90 tele thru it, amp set clean and dirty w/guitar vol knob cleanup.
New these are $169+$24 shipping. I bought gently used for $136 shipped. Compared to the WGS Reaper HP it replaced, frankly, I was slightly underwhelmed. I dont think it sounds TWICE as good(it costs twice as much). Yet, it's pretty good. The strat sounds better at all settings. Even set to 333 it cleans up great. The tele, about the same. The P90 tele, maybe a little less good dirty(still too wooly), but better clean. It has great highs and big lows. Lots of bass, but tighter bass than the WGS. One thing immediately noticeable, its "quicker." Play a note or chord, it comes out of the speaker faster. Faster than any speaker I've tried. I'd say overall clarity is just slightly better. It's about as loud as the WGS, has about the same clean headroom.
I'm glad I didnt get the LD large dust cap version, which has more bass and less treble. I still have a bunch of paces to put it through, and want to turn the Brake Lite off and pound on it for a good while BUT, I dont find it WAY better than the WGS. I kinda wanted to. Had I spent $193, I'd be a bit let down if I'm being totally honest.
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Post by trojanhov on Jan 15, 2019 13:55:44 GMT -7
Caveat 1: it probably isnt fully broken in. This speaker was built 5/18 and they do a factory 20 hr break in, but this one can take up to 60 hrs. It was used so I dont know how many hours are on it. Caveat 2: after installing it I had @45 min to play it. I plugged straight in, no effects, with the Brake Lite on 2. Ran the strat, the tele, and the P90 tele thru it, amp set clean and dirty w/guitar vol knob cleanup. New these are $169+$24 shipping. I bought gently used for $136 shipped. Compared to the WGS Reaper HP it replaced, frankly, I was slightly underwhelmed. I dont think it sounds TWICE as good(it costs twice as much). Yet, it's pretty good. The strat sounds better at all settings. Even set to 333 it cleans up great. The tele, about the same. The P90 tele, maybe a little less good dirty(still too wooly), but better clean. It has great highs and big lows. Lots of bass, but tighter bass than the WGS. One thing immediately noticeable, its "quicker." Play a note or chord, it comes out of the speaker faster. Faster than any speaker I've tried. I'd say overall clarity is just slightly better. It's about as loud as the WGS, has about the same clean headroom. I'm glad I didnt get the LD large dust cap version, which has more bass and less treble. I still have a bunch of paces to put it through, and want to turn the Brake Lite off and pound on it for a good while BUT, I dont find it WAY better than the WGS. I kinda wanted to. Had I spent $193, I'd be a bit let down if I'm being totally honest. Good to know! Give it some more time. I’m enjoying the ET-65 so far. I pounded it some more yesterday (wide open) and it works well with the 10 inch gold I’m pairing it with. I think the last speaker I’m going to want to try is the reaper hp.... but maybe in a year or so. Want to give this speaker a fair shot and tbh I’m liking what I hear.
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Post by bigben55 on Jan 15, 2019 14:50:07 GMT -7
I'm definitely gonna give it the full 60 hrs of playtime, so a couple months.
Rereading my post, it sounds like I dont like it. I do. I just hoped I'd like it more. I like it as much as the Reaper HP, which I DO like, just dont LOVE. Everything I've read about Scumbacks, they seem to be the consensus BEST Celestion types made. They probably are. Thing is, historically, I've never been a Celestion fan. Maybe it's me. I wish there was a 12" that sounded EXACTLY like DrZs 10". The Z12 isnt it. Maybe it's the 2x10 vs 1x12 thing; my 1st Z28 was a 2x10 and it sounded better than the 1x12(as I remember it, 4 yrs ago). If I wind up selling the Scumback, I'm gonna try American voiced speakers like the G12C, Eminence Legend 1258, C12N maybe a Neo mag.
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Post by bigben55 on Jan 17, 2019 12:50:07 GMT -7
6 more full volume hours on the Scumback, and I can tell its breaking in better. The immediacy of the picked/strummed notes is just outstanding. Couple that with the touch sensitivity of the Z28 and its really something. I've been tweaking the amp settings to the P90 guitar, because those Wolfetone P90s are my most touch sensitive pickups. Pick attack has never been more up front and center, with any rig I've had.
I will say, I had to retweak my dirt pedals. The Scumback definitely has more highs and tighter(but the same amount of)lows. The spesker actually made me put the old FD2 back on the board instead of the Timmy+BB Preamp combo. I really want to get my hands on a Z Drive, with its active 3 band EQ and bass cut switches.
More to come.
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Post by bigben55 on Jan 26, 2019 17:12:20 GMT -7
Another week of loud playing every chance I got, and I think it's a keeper. It still has more bass than I would like, but like I said, its tighter bass. Like, cranked, neck P90, palm muted shuffle pattern, and its still percussive, not all loose and wooly. I think my liking it has to do with that P90 tele. With the strat and regular tele, I just didnt get enough amp gain due to the lower powered pickups and wanted more. To get more, the bass knob would need increased but doing so mushed it out. With the P90s they're hot enough that I get the good amp gain WITHOUT needing to crank the bass. Good stuff. It just sounds better all gained up. Again, the H75s quick response and dynamics are great. Its VERY articulate clean with all 3 guitars. I've waited a while before doing what I did today....list the WGS on Craigslist.
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Post by mrcapers on Jan 26, 2019 18:15:58 GMT -7
I've used the H, J, and the M series Scumbacks. The H was just too tight for me. The M is what I'm using now with the Remedy. The M was too loose and wooly with a 3rd Power amp I used to use. The J series was right between the M & H and was perfect for the 3rd Power amp. I really prefer the Remedy to the 3rd Power, and the M is perfect for it. Very solid and just the right amount of mids. It really depends on the amp you're using. They all seem to use the same cone. The heavier the magnet, the more bass, treble, and tightness there is.
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Post by bigben55 on Jan 26, 2019 18:42:29 GMT -7
In retrospect, the J75 may be better suited to the Z28. A tad less bass and highs, a tad more mids than the H. I had a Greenback and didnt like it so I steered away from the M75, but a 65 watt M75 would definitely be better than the 25 watt Celestion. I thought the Greenback had too much mids for the Z28(which has plenty).
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Post by bigben55 on Feb 10, 2019 18:27:46 GMT -7
So, I got a Z Drive pedal and have been loving it. Why? Its 3 bend active EQ. A speaker is like the "final EQ" to an amp. They all have varying degrees of TMB inherant to their design. With the Z Drive, I have more tone sculpting options. I can cut some of the bass the speaker makes, add this, subtract that, etc. It really works well. Regardless, I think the H75 will be staying in the Z28 for a good long time.
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Post by detuned on Feb 11, 2019 17:14:19 GMT -7
I've had a couple of Scumbacks, an H75 and a Scumnico, and I will say that these are indeed superlative examples of early Celestions - maybe the best. If you're a Celestion person (and I am), these are among the best.
If not, well, that's what extension cabs are for! :-)
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Post by trojanhov on Mar 14, 2019 16:46:06 GMT -7
So, I got a Z Drive pedal and have been loving it. Why? Its 3 bend active EQ. A speaker is like the "final EQ" to an amp. They all have varying degrees of TMB inherant to their design. With the Z Drive, I have more tone sculpting options. I can cut some of the bass the speaker makes, add this, subtract that, etc. It really works well. Regardless, I think the H75 will be staying in the Z28 for a good long time. Something came to mind, would u say the H75 still has too much bass if I’m running my z-28 clean with the bass rarely over 12?
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Post by bigben55 on Mar 14, 2019 19:21:52 GMT -7
Depends on the guitar. My #1 is a G&L Legacy(strat) which is fairly bright. As a clean tone(BL on 2) all 3 knobs at 11 oclock sounds great. My #2 is an ASAT Classic with Fralin Blues Specials(hotter) and I'm more around 10-10-11. With my P90 tele(Wolfetone Mean/Meaner, 8k & 9k) its 930-9-11 for cleans. As long as you keep it clean/cleanish with the treble up, the H75 is not too bassy. But if you want to 3-3-3 it, it's too bassy. Bass over 1 oclock with ANY guitar, it's too much. That said, it's a GREAT sounding speaker! So, I got a Z Drive pedal and have been loving it. Why? Its 3 bend active EQ. A speaker is like the "final EQ" to an amp. They all have varying degrees of TMB inherant to their design. With the Z Drive, I have more tone sculpting options. I can cut some of the bass the speaker makes, add this, subtract that, etc. It really works well. Regardless, I think the H75 will be staying in the Z28 for a good long time. Something came to mind, would u say the H75 still has too much bass if I’m running my z-28 clean with the bass rarely over 12?
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