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Post by texan2step on Sept 20, 2018 10:27:02 GMT -7
Anyone had one of these or use them regularly?
I have been wanting one of these delay units for several years and finally broke down. I ordered the Amaze1 with it as well. There are NO WORDS to describe how much I love this pedal so far!!! It's been a month and I can't stop playing through it.
I have played a lot of delays and never really bonded with them. I was concerned that the lack of features (only three knobs per side) because I've been using digital delays with ultimate tweakability. (I usually save presets for setlists and scroll through as needed) I have found that I can dial in the perfect combination for my needs with the A and B sides. Side A for a short delay, and side B for longer delays. This pedal sits perfectly in the mix and it's as if it gets a bit louder once you hold a note or stop playing. I almost forget it's in until I hold out a note, and then I hear the repeats. I've never had a delay that felt like it reacted to my playing. I've found that to be incredibly musical.
I also haven't been a fan of modulation on delay as I personally can never get it to sound right. It always ends up being too much for me and sounds out of tune, or stands out too much. I found that with the Amaze1 set to Rate: 3 and Depth: 4 it rounds the sound out and has even greater mojo.
Anyway, I wanted to share my experience and hear others thoughts to find out what settings you use so that I can try them as I get to know this pedal better. Thanks!
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Post by zpilot on Sept 21, 2018 8:11:12 GMT -7
Absolutely my favorite. It has never left my board since I put it on. I bought the pedal in 2012 but I was cheap and didn't spring for the Amazeo box until a few years later. The modulation sounds like the tape flutter I used to get from a worn capstan in my old Echoplex. Pricy but worth it.
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Post by texan2step on Sept 21, 2018 10:29:47 GMT -7
Zpilot, I agree that it's pricey, and it's taken me several years of saving up extra cash here and there to finally but one. But when compared to the other delays I've used, they just can't compare. I've played the DM-2W, Timeline, Timefactor, Brigadier, El Capistan, H9, and a host of others. These are just the ones I've most recently tried before the ARDX20.
I found that the DM-2W ran away from me far too easily and started oscillating with only slight adjustments. The digital delays, while they have amazing versatility, we're sometimes painful to dial in the way my ear wanted to hear it because there were too many options. I have yet to struggle to get a sound that I want with the ARDX20.
I also figured out that I can set it just in the verge of oscillation and it creates this amazing wash of sound in the background. It just seems to sit on the root note of the key and only shows up between phrasings. I've never been able to get another pedal to do that in a controlled manner!
I had high hopes that I'd be able to closely replicate the sound of the ARDX20 using my H9, or Timefactor, but I can't even get it close. I've tried so many different algorithms, and bumped them up side by side. They aren't in the same ballpark.
Now, I'm not saying that I can't get great sounds out of the H9 or Timefactor. They still can get a really good sound in an attempt to copy the ARDX20, but I hoped to have two boards where I could get that sound using what I already have.
I've built up two pedalboards (big and small), but if I need those particular sounds, it's gonna have to be the ARDX20!
The only complaint I have is that I wish the Amaze1 were just slightly more used friendly. I'd like to be able to save 2-3 settings and turn off the others for gigs where I don't need all of the presets available. And, I wish you could still tap in the tempo when using programmed settings. But, I'd but I'd buy one again in a heartbeat, as is. Truly exciting pedal!
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Post by trojanhov on Sept 21, 2018 10:36:28 GMT -7
I was very close to buying the ARDX20 but went with the el Capistan with fav switch instead. I am still eyeing the analogman delay but the amaze1 controller needing its own power supply and space is a turn off. Might still buy it for slap back and longer delay sounds, but it would have to replace the Diamond mljr, which is one of my favorite delay sounds ever. Tough decisions.
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Post by texan2step on Sept 21, 2018 10:52:59 GMT -7
Trojanhov, the El Capistan almost won out for me because it sounded unbelievable, and I didn't have a way to try the Analogman without buying one. In the end, I had my heart set on trying it and knew I'd always been thinking about it in the back of my mind. It was a certainty that is but one at some point. Ha! I also knew it would hold it's value if I didn't like it and wanted to sell it.
It is a pretty large footprint with both on the board, but it was actually smaller than I had thought in my mind. And the Amaze1 can be out anywhere in the board as long as the cable's long enough to reach. I had a perfect spot on my board so it ended up working for me so I didn't have to rearrange, so I was happy.
It's funny because I didn't personally like the Brigadier at all, even though it was made to replicate an analog delay. But, in fairness, I only had the opportunity to play one of those in a shop for 20 minutes. There was just something that didn't do it for me. But the El Capistan gets the closest of any I've played to getting the sounds I've found in the ARDX20.
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Post by trojanhov on Sept 21, 2018 10:55:25 GMT -7
Trojanhov, the El Capistan almost won out for me because it sounded unbelievable, and I didn't have a way to try the Analogman without buying one. In the end, I had my heart set on trying it and knew I'd always been thinking about it in the back of my mind. It was a certainty that is but one at some point. Ha! I also knew it would hold it's value if I didn't like it and wanted to sell it. It is a pretty large footprint with both on the board, but it was actually smaller than I had thought in my mind. And the Amaze1 can be out anywhere in the board as long as the cable's long enough to reach. I had a perfect spot on my board so it ended up working for me so I didn't have to rearrange, so I was happy. It's funny because I didn't personally like the Brigadier at all, even though it was made to replicate an analog delay. But, in fairness, I only had the opportunity to play one of those in a shop for 20 minutes. There was just something that didn't do it for me. But the El Capistan gets the closest of any I've played to getting the sounds I've found in the ARDX20. Can’t make a wrong decision there! I love analog delays. The mljr just sounds phenomenal and gets extremely close to analog sounds, but the praises of the ardx20 always have me looking that’s for sure. Any idea what bucket brigade chips mike is using in those??
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Post by texan2step on Sept 21, 2018 11:22:37 GMT -7
Trojanhov, the El Capistan almost won out for me because it sounded unbelievable, and I didn't have a way to try the Analogman without buying one. In the end, I had my heart set on trying it and knew I'd always been thinking about it in the back of my mind. It was a certainty that is but one at some point. Ha! I also knew it would hold it's value if I didn't like it and wanted to sell it. It is a pretty large footprint with both on the board, but it was actually smaller than I had thought in my mind. And the Amaze1 can be out anywhere in the board as long as the cable's long enough to reach. I had a perfect spot on my board so it ended up working for me so I didn't have to rearrange, so I was happy. It's funny because I didn't personally like the Brigadier at all, even though it was made to replicate an analog delay. But, in fairness, I only had the opportunity to play one of those in a shop for 20 minutes. There was just something that didn't do it for me. But the El Capistan gets the closest of any I've played to getting the sounds I've found in the ARDX20. Can’t make a wrong decision there! I love analog delays. The mljr just sounds phenomenal and gets extremely close to analog sounds, but the praises of the ardx20 always have me looking that’s for sure. Any idea what bucket brigade chips mike is using in those?? I have no idea, but I'll take a look inside and update you when I get a chance.
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Post by zman on Sept 22, 2018 15:47:26 GMT -7
My main delay is the ARDX20. What attracted me to it was the simplicity of only a few knobs and the dual delay settings. It's the same attraction with the specific Z amps with only a few knobs but great tone achieved. I'm not much for unique delay settings but you have me thinking about the amaze add on. I have heard great things about it. Maybe I'm missing something...
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Post by texan2step on Sept 23, 2018 8:37:55 GMT -7
My main delay is the ARDX20. What attracted me to it was the simplicity of only a few knobs and the dual delay settings. It's the same attraction with the specific Z amps with only a few knobs but great tone achieved. I'm not much for unique delay settings but you have me thinking about the amaze add on. I have heard great things about it. Maybe I'm missing something... I really only bought the Amaze1 so that I could have tap tempo, pre-program different tempos for setlists, use quarter notes, dotted eighth notes, etc. However, since I've gotten it, I've only been using tap tempo and using the modulation. I'm not comfortable enough with the programming to use it in a gig. (I keep getting things messed up because it's kind of confusing in program mode. At least so far....) But the sounds I've been finding in there have just blown me away! I'm definitely glad I have it, but I think I'd have been very happy with or without it.
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Post by texan2step on Sept 23, 2018 21:01:39 GMT -7
As promised, I finally had a minute to look inside the pedal. The delay chips are CoolAudio 3205. I have read that they were trying to go for the sound of the old Panasonic chips. I've read mixed reviews from those who "say" they've tried both extensively. I don't know what is good or bad about old vs new, but personally... if it sounds good, they can use whatever they want. Ha!
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Post by mudman on Sept 25, 2018 8:41:52 GMT -7
I’ve had the pleasure of trying one. Very clean delay with little to no hiss. If I didn’t have my el cap and moog delay it would have been super tempting.
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Post by trojanhov on Sept 25, 2018 8:51:34 GMT -7
As promised, I finally had a minute to look inside the pedal. The delay chips are CoolAudio 3205. I have read that they were trying to go for the sound of the old Panasonic chips. I've read mixed reviews from those who "say" they've tried both extensively. I don't know what is good or bad about old vs new, but personally... if it sounds good, they can use whatever they want. Ha! I was extremely close to pulling the trigger on a JAM pedals delay llama supreme and that pedal uses the same chips. I went with the el Capistan instead. I’ve played it at gig volume twice already and the el cap is def a keeper and deserves all the hype esp with the fav switch. I flirt with the idea of even selling my ml jr because of it now. If I get the analog bug again I’ll go with the ardx20 for SURE.
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Post by zpilot on Sept 25, 2018 10:33:26 GMT -7
My main delay is the ARDX20. What attracted me to it was the simplicity of only a few knobs and the dual delay settings. It's the same attraction with the specific Z amps with only a few knobs but great tone achieved. I'm not much for unique delay settings but you have me thinking about the amaze add on. I have heard great things about it. Maybe I'm missing something... I really only bought the Amaze1 so that I could have tap tempo, pre-program different tempos for setlists, use quarter notes, dotted eighth notes, etc. However, since I've gotten it, I've only been using tap tempo and using the modulation. I'm not comfortable enough with the programming to use it in a gig. (I keep getting things messed up because it's kind of confusing in program mode. At least so far....) But the sounds I've been finding in there have just blown me away! I'm definitely glad I have it, but I think I'd have been very happy with or without it. I never use the programming for the same reason. Tap tempo and mod only.
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Post by Darasick on Sept 26, 2018 15:36:34 GMT -7
Man, I miss mine and I didn’t even have the Amaze controller
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Post by digs57 on Sept 26, 2018 17:15:51 GMT -7
im one click away...is this thing that good? "obviously dave"....?
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Post by mudman on Sept 26, 2018 19:12:50 GMT -7
im one click away...is this thing that good? "obviously dave"....? It really depends on what you already have, for me it overlapped too much. It’s a great analog delay. Very low noise, clean repeats and nice modulation.
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Post by zman on Sept 26, 2018 19:41:20 GMT -7
im one click away...is this thing that good? "obviously dave"....? You have time to think about. They are sold out of the ARDX20 delay on the Analogman website until hopefully October. Hope this AM delay don't turn into the waiting list like the KoT.
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Post by trojanhov on Sept 26, 2018 19:57:18 GMT -7
This thread needs to stop
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Post by texan2step on Sept 26, 2018 20:49:48 GMT -7
im one click away...is this thing that good? "obviously dave"....? What are you looking for your delay to do? If you want two delays that you can switch between, beautiful repeats, and the warmth of all analog, I'd say yes. If you want really smooth modulation, the AMAZE1 has it. However; I'm finding the programming kind of confusing and keep forgetting hope to set it up right. So if you're looking for programmed repeats and lots of flexibility, there are plenty our there that would fit your need. I'd look at the eventide H9, TimeFactor, or Timeline if that's your goal. For me, I'm done looking at delay. The only thing I might do is sell my Eventides and buy another one! Hahahaha.
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