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Post by John on Mar 15, 2018 4:30:12 GMT -7
I was thinking about that. What would you recommend? All I really looked into are creambacks and v30s wgsusa.com/gbThis would be a great place to start. A greenback clone. (and a creamback clone) But MUCH cheaper. WGS also makes their version of the V30...but they say they tame the upper mid spike in tone. So if you try someone's V30 and it appeals to you, WGS's version of the V30 would be a good choice. (again...it's cheaper than a Celestion V30)
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Post by mickey on Mar 15, 2018 5:52:13 GMT -7
I'm using a Creamback M with my Maz Jr and it sounds great, warm but with a tighter bass than I expected and still with a smooth treble. I used a Gold for a long time with my Maz Sr, and that's a wonderful, though expensive speaker for chimey cleans, and it's louder being more efficient, but in the end I tired of the nasally top end I always heard when using more gain. I also find I prefer the less efficient speaker as I can turn the master up another notch in order to get the amp working a bit harder.
You will not find another forum like this; the guys have pitched in with ideas for solving your issue and it looks like you may be OK now. On top of all that the Doc himself has offered his own advice as well as encouraging you to send your amp in so that he can examine it in person. You cannot get better than that!
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Post by gbowman on Mar 15, 2018 8:17:32 GMT -7
Another vote for Warehouse Guitar Speakers - I've used many, both 10s and 12s and have had zero disappointments/problems. Of course, you have to choose which one...
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Post by southmusic70 on Mar 15, 2018 8:56:48 GMT -7
My open back 2x12 cabinet has a WGS ET65 and a G12c/s in it. It yields a very versatile and complete sound and at very reasonable prices.
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Post by adamrmusic on Mar 15, 2018 9:44:50 GMT -7
I was thinking about that. What would you recommend? All I really looked into are creambacks and v30s Is your cabinet open back or have the ability to be open back? ..And are you looking to get more of a British or American type sound from the amp?[/quote] My Avatar traditional cab with celestions is closed back. I also have a whitebox cab which has a convertible design. I don't really have an American/Brit preference. I suppose leaning toward American but I still love British amps.
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Post by bourgeoisboy (Josh) on Mar 15, 2018 11:05:14 GMT -7
The closed back cabinet is going to give you more pronounced bass response. If you still want a brighter tone you might want to stick with the convertible cab used as open back. I'd say the first thing you want to figure out is whether you would like one voiced more American sounding or British. Watch tons of speaker demos/amp demos on youtube that have the different type speakers. I know a lot of people that have 212 cabinets run 2 different complimentary speakers instead of the same one in each side, like a V30/G12H30 or G12H30/Creamback or G12H30/Alnico Blue or Alnico Blue/Gold to give some examples. As mentioned by others here, people rave about the quality and price of WGS speakers. If you could find some of their versions that fit your taste that would be a really good option. I like my Maz to lean more to the chimey Voxy side. So, for me the choice for 212 would be open back with Blue/Gold together. Ultimately you'll have to find your flavor.
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Post by adamrmusic on Mar 15, 2018 12:36:08 GMT -7
The amp is definitely sounding better but I'm concerned there's still an underlying power issue. I understand these decibel meter apps aren't 100% accurate but I can't imagine it's 20+ db off and the amp is still maxing out at 80dB. I don't think it's an issue of speaker efficiency because the g12t75s are 97 db but the Eminence speakers in my other 212 are 100db. I might grab an actual db meter just to make sure it's correct before I send it off to get looked at. If it is only 80db and this amp can get up to 100+db when fully operational, I definitely won't need to upsize.
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Post by gbowman on Mar 15, 2018 13:10:34 GMT -7
I've played, owned and built a few 18 watt amps along the way and the Maz is the loudest I've of the bunch. 80db doesn't sound like its functioning right.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Mar 15, 2018 16:55:24 GMT -7
Definitely agree. The 18 is an extremely loud monster. Doc designs his amps with live play in mind; they always cut through. Anything less than 100db means something is amiss. With the volume and master dimed like in your video you would not be able to stand in front of it and not get blisters all over your body, not to mention the fact that your microphone would have overloaded and sounded horrible. It just needs a refresh from the Doc. And, maybe you can get him to sign it while he’s working on it!
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Post by zpilot on Mar 17, 2018 17:42:17 GMT -7
As a reference have you ever played through any of the recent re-issue Vox AC-15's. In my opinion a MAZ 18 sounds about half again louder than one of those. That's not very technical terminology but I hope you get my point. If it doesn't then you have something wrong.
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Post by adamrmusic on Mar 18, 2018 2:09:44 GMT -7
As a reference have you ever played through any of the recent re-issue Vox AC-15's. In my opinion a MAZ 18 sounds about half again louder than one of those. That's not very technical terminology but I hope you get my point. If it doesn't then you have something wrong. I actually used to have one of those but not recently enough to remember how loud it was in comparison. I ordered a $20 decibel meter online and it'll be here Friday so if I'm actually at 80db I'll know something's wrong and take it from there
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Post by adamrmusic on Mar 19, 2018 14:28:41 GMT -7
The good news is the amp isn't broken. The bad news is it just doesn't get loud enough for me. What was reading 80db on my phone is actually about 113db. You all must be playing much quieter gigs than me. Anyway, thanks for all the help and guidance.
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Post by John on Mar 19, 2018 14:48:57 GMT -7
It comes from years of being yelled at to turn down. (Singers, soundmen, club owners, bass players)
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Post by adamrmusic on Mar 19, 2018 16:06:22 GMT -7
It comes from years of being yelled at to turn down. (Singers, soundmen, club owners, bass players) It would definitely be enough volume if I had my own sound guy but usually I'm stuck with someone who doesn't put guitar through the monitor or something goes wrong and my monitor isn't working. More often than not I end up needing my amp to be my means of hearing myself and with a punk/hard Rock drummer maybe 2 feet behind me, that isn't happening.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Mar 19, 2018 19:35:37 GMT -7
Man, get some good earplugs. 😳
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Post by fishyfishfish on May 1, 2018 19:39:12 GMT -7
Without being in the room, my first thing to do would be lowering the pickups a smidge. the Jb and Het set were designed to get amps to break up. Also try roll back on the volume on the guitar and perhaps trying the low input on the amp. Second, dime the master and then bring the volume up to the level you need. If still not doing what you need look into a lower gain 12ax7 for V1.
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