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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Feb 19, 2018 18:36:19 GMT -7
Just came across this on Reverb. Brought a tear to my eye to see what has been done to the V1 early Mazerati. Good thing the Z has fallen off - probably due to being ashamed to wear it. Not sure about pulling the 2 outside tubes either - don't think Doc recommends that! reverb.com/item/10467095-dr-z-maserati
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Post by "Z" Steve on Feb 19, 2018 20:27:50 GMT -7
It makes me wonder why the seller couldn't go the extra mile by removing the back screen.
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Post by bryan0418 on Feb 19, 2018 20:47:34 GMT -7
I saw that as well. Would be nice to have a V1but way too much has been changed. And why only 2 tubes? Sad someone would do that to such a fine amp.
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Post by KeithA on Feb 20, 2018 2:52:03 GMT -7
I saw that as well. Would be nice to have a V1but way too much has been changed. And why only 2 tubes? Sad someone would do that to such a fine amp. 2 tubes....the ill-advised 1/2 power switch !
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Post by DRZ on Feb 20, 2018 3:58:07 GMT -7
Sad.
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Post by KeithA on Feb 20, 2018 6:54:50 GMT -7
Yep...and on the other extreme (as I rearrange my man cave) I was looking at about 10 Z amps last night that look like they just came out of the shipping carton The plan is for them to get more use once the room is laid out more appropriately
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Post by mudman on Feb 20, 2018 7:01:23 GMT -7
What would be the butcher’s bill to put it back to stock doc? Do you still have the trannies on hand?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 7:06:56 GMT -7
What would be the butcher’s bill to put it back to stock doc? Do you still have the trannies on hand? That thing just needs to be put out of its misery...
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Post by mudman on Feb 20, 2018 7:15:08 GMT -7
What would be the butcher’s bill to put it back to stock doc? Do you still have the trannies on hand? That thing just needs to be put out of its misery... Because of a couple of unoriginal transformers and pulled tubes? What am I missing? It’s a handwired amp. As long as the parts are available it shouldn’t be terrible to put it back to better condition. Real question is how low does it need to cost to make it worthwhile. Heck as long as the MM trannie is the right spec, I don’t see why that one would even need to be replaced. If Doc or Don could give an estimate on what it needs, I’d at least ask for gut shots from the guy
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Post by mudman on Feb 20, 2018 7:25:09 GMT -7
Well I messaged the guy to get gut shots. I’ll email Don if the fellow sends them and get a quote on what the amp needs to be Z Worthy again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 9:38:41 GMT -7
That thing just needs to be put out of its misery... Because of a couple of unoriginal transformers and pulled tubes? What am I missing? It’s a handwired amp. As long as the parts are available it shouldn’t be terrible to put it back to better condition. Real question is how low does it need to cost to make it worthwhile. Heck as long as the MM trannie is the right spec, I don’t see why that one would even need to be replaced. If Doc or Don could give an estimate on what it needs, I’d at least ask for gut shots from the guy The magic was in those transformers. But hey, whatever floats your boat. An all original one sold for $900 several weeks back.....................
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Post by mudman on Feb 20, 2018 10:37:46 GMT -7
Because of a couple of unoriginal transformers and pulled tubes? What am I missing? It’s a handwired amp. As long as the parts are available it shouldn’t be terrible to put it back to better condition. Real question is how low does it need to cost to make it worthwhile. Heck as long as the MM trannie is the right spec, I don’t see why that one would even need to be replaced. If Doc or Don could give an estimate on what it needs, I’d at least ask for gut shots from the guy The magic was in those transformers. But hey, whatever floats your boat. An all original one sold for $900 several weeks back..................... Good reason to ask Doc if they have any original PT and OT’s left, haha. I’d be more inclined to leave a PT alone if it’s to spec and then replace an OT with OEM. I thought the latter had a greater effect on sound. I agree the asking price is too high, but anything can be fixed. Just a matter of price and if Doc’s shop is willing to resurrect it haha. I think $400ish is probably a better range, no?
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Post by Rockerfeller on Feb 20, 2018 12:29:11 GMT -7
The magic was in those transformers. But hey, whatever floats your boat. An all original one sold for $900 several weeks back..................... Good reason to ask Doc if they have any original PT and OT’s left, haha. I’d be more inclined to leave a PT alone if it’s to spec and then replace an OT with OEM. I thought the latter had a greater effect on sound. I agree the asking price is too high, but anything can be fixed. Just a matter of price and if Doc’s shop is willing to resurrect it haha. I think $400ish is probably a better range, no? That is true. BUT, the condition the amp is currently in shows that whoever has owned it has abused it or at least not taken care of it. If you could get it real cheap, it might be worth it.
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Post by mudman on Feb 20, 2018 12:59:43 GMT -7
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Post by mudman on Feb 20, 2018 20:11:52 GMT -7
Seller added more photos. Anyone see anything else glaring beyond the PT and OT? There's a burn on the board, any replaced parts? Also looks like he's running a 5y3 for the rectifier, yikes. I've emailed it to Repairs at Dr. Z to get their take and whether they'll give me a ball park on fixing it. I'm betting $$$, but hoping for the best. I'd like to buy it and get it fixed if the money is right. Just something wrong leaving one of Doc's amps like that. I've asked the seller if he has a bottom dollar on it. Honestly I'm thinking $300 or so right now before getting a quote on repairs.
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Post by captainron (Ron) on Feb 20, 2018 20:22:11 GMT -7
Just came across this on Reverb. Brought a tear to my eye to see what has been done to the V1 early Mazerati. Good thing the Z has fallen off - probably due to being ashamed to wear it. Not sure about pulling the 2 outside tubes either - don't think Doc recommends that! reverb.com/item/10467095-dr-z-maseratiAbomination indeed! Very sad!
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Post by "Z" Steve on Feb 20, 2018 20:38:35 GMT -7
I know Doc has commented on his "Big Bottle" quad of power amp tubes where the amps are not wired like a Fender to where you can remove 2 for less power, but I also thought that went for EL84's as well. If that is the case then it makes me wonder what damage has been done, or if the new transformers reflect the 2 missing power amp tubes. How could you - why would you? /o\
AND SPELL THE NAME RIGHT AT LEAST!
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Feb 20, 2018 21:16:53 GMT -7
Seller added more photos. Anyone see anything else glaring beyond the PT and OT? There's a burn on the board, any replaced parts? Also looks like he's running a 5y3 for the rectifier, yikes. I've emailed it to Repairs at Dr. Z to get their take and whether they'll give me a ball park on fixing it. I'm betting $$$, but hoping for the best. I'd like to buy it and get it fixed if the money is right. Just something wrong leaving one of Doc's amps like that. I've asked the seller if he has a bottom dollar on it. Honestly I'm thinking $300 or so right now before getting a quote on repairs. That wiring is all wrong for a Z - looks like someone did a lot of rewiring without regard to keeping it clean like Doc does. I'll be curious to hear what Doc has to say about it.
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Post by mudman on Feb 20, 2018 21:29:16 GMT -7
Seller added more photos. Anyone see anything else glaring beyond the PT and OT? There's a burn on the board, any replaced parts? Also looks like he's running a 5y3 for the rectifier, yikes. I've emailed it to Repairs at Dr. Z to get their take and whether they'll give me a ball park on fixing it. I'm betting $$$, but hoping for the best. I'd like to buy it and get it fixed if the money is right. Just something wrong leaving one of Doc's amps like that. I've asked the seller if he has a bottom dollar on it. Honestly I'm thinking $300 or so right now before getting a quote on repairs. That wiring is all wrong for a Z - looks like someone did a lot of rewiring without regard to keeping it clean like Doc does. I'll be curious to hear what Doc has to say about it. Jaguar could you post a shot of a clean board so I can compare the two?
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Feb 20, 2018 21:58:18 GMT -7
Doc has mine to use for voicing the 30th Anniversary Mazerati (it's #001)
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Post by mudman on Feb 20, 2018 22:10:31 GMT -7
Well if the seller is amenable to a large price reduction, perhaps he can use yours to revoice this poor soul too lol
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Post by DRZ on Feb 21, 2018 2:32:43 GMT -7
I'm sure your aware of the phrase , " you get what you pay for ". First realize any amp with replacement non factory Transformers will never be worth anything substantial on the used market. I'm not sure how that amp can run on two EL 84's with what appears a 68 ohm bias resistor. Wiring looks a bit shady due to the major transplant of it's transformers.
I'm currently in the process of building 30 new Version One Mazerati's for Z fest.
I really have no desire to resuscitate this piece go work .
Believe me labor and parts will bring the price to very close or exceed what the new 30th. Anniversary collector Mazerati V1 will cost.
Z
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Post by John on Feb 21, 2018 4:26:27 GMT -7
I too noticed the questionable wiring. All Doc's amps have crisp, clean STRAIGHT leads coming off each component. On this amp...most are bent. It looks sloppy.
This amp is a 'walk away'.
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Post by mudman on Feb 21, 2018 6:08:21 GMT -7
I'm sure your aware of the phrase , " you get what you pay for ". First realize any amp with replacement non factory Transformers will never be worth anything substantial on the used market. I'm not sure how that amp can run on two EL 84's with what appears a 68 ohm bias resistor. Wiring looks a bit shady due to the major transplant of it's transformers. I'm currently in the process of building 30 new Version One Mazerati's for Z fest. I really have no desire to resuscitate this piece go work . Believe me labor and parts will bring the price to very close or exceed what the new 30th. Anniversary collector Mazerati V1 will cost. Z Well good to know. I appreciate the candor Doc.
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Post by zaddn on Feb 21, 2018 13:15:32 GMT -7
ugh, just posted a PSA about this on the BST without looking at this too clearly. what a bummer to do to such a great amp. going to delete the BST post! this is not my amp btw
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Post by mudman on Feb 21, 2018 13:22:21 GMT -7
I talked to the seller and let him know about the thread here.
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Post by mudman on Feb 21, 2018 20:55:37 GMT -7
After talking with the seller I also wanted to apologize if it looked like I had implied he was the ones behind the modifications to the amp. They apparently occurred before he got it, and they weren’t disclosed when it came into his hands.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on May 21, 2018 13:24:51 GMT -7
I'm expecting my Anniversary set to ship sometime this week, so I was perusing this section and read this post. Couldn't help wondering if the 'guru' that 'reworked' this amp used the proper wattage blow torch for his soldering! What a mess, maybe it was done by a well meaning teenager. Yikes.
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